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                 Copyright (c) 1995, Landmark Communications, Inc.

DATE: THURSDAY, January 12, 1995                   TAG: 9501130041
SECTION: NATL/INTL                    PAGE: A10   EDITION: METRO 
SOURCE: KNIGHT-RIDDER NEWSPAPERS
DATELINE: WASHINGTON                                 LENGTH: Medium


12-YEAR LIMIT IS GINGRICH'S CHOICE

THOUGH POLLS SHOW most supporters of term limits for U.S. House members want six years to be the maximum, the new speaker of the House thinks that's not long enough.

\ In a sharp challenge to grass-roots term limits groups, House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Wednesday he would fight any effort to impose less than a 12-year limit on careers in the House of Representatives.

Gingrich said he would allow votes this spring on a wide range of term-limit options, giving citizens' groups at least a shot at persuading Congress to vote for shorter tenures.

But the outspoken House leader said he would throw his full weight behind a constitutional amendment to limit House members to six, two-year terms - and against rival proposals for six-year and eight-year limits. Senators would also be limited to 12 years in office.

``I will speak and vote against the three-term amendment,'' he said. Only rarely does the House speaker take the House floor to speak to the merits of legislation.

Any term limits measure would probably have more impact on senators than House members. Of the 435 House members, 138 - including Gingrich, of Georgia - have served more than 12 years. Of the 100 senators, 45 have served more than 12 years.

In defense of nothing less than a 12-year limit, Gingrich said his own experience showed it takes at least three terms (six years) for a member to master the job of representative. He said the remaining three terms would be the time during which a lawmaker could be more knowledgeable and productive.

He said, ``people who want six years will get an up-or-down vote on the floor. There may well be five or six votes [on different term-limit options] when we get it to the floor.''

Later, Rep. Bill McCollum, R-Fla., picked by Gingrich to lead the term limits drive in the House, confirmed that members would get the chance to pick from a smorgasbord of choices, but he was vague about which one would prevail if more than one were approved.

The multiple-choice approach could lead to a confusing welter of votes and make it impossible to garner enough to pass any amendment.

Members who secretly oppose term limits could vote for one option and oppose the others, preventing any from getting the two-thirds majority needed to pass constitutional amendments.

McCollum said Gingrich had asked him to bring the term limits amendments to the House floor in late March.

The Floridian, who has pushed for term limits since he entered Congress in 1981, acknowledged that advocates were still far short of having the two-thirds majority it will take to pass an amendment.

He said his latest count for the 12-year option was 144 votes - about half the 290 votes needed. There are even fewer votes for the shorter limits.

Although some members say they would support any proposal that shortens congressional careers, others insist they would not back the 12-year option even if the shorter alternatives were rejected.

Rep. Martin Meehan, D-Mass., said he promised his constituents a six-year limit and would be hard-pressed to explain a vote for twice that tenure.

The fragmented term limits movement generally favors a six-year limitation.

U.S. Term Limits cited a survey by the Luntz Research Companies indicating that of those voters favoring terms limits, 82 percent want six years and only 14 percent favor 12 years. Overall, three out of four Americans want some form of term limits, according to recent polls.

Ross Perot's United We Stand, America is backing Gingrich's call for a 12-year cutoff. But Scott Rasmussen, chairman of the Term Limits Leadership Council, composed of 44 state organizations, said his allies mostly favored the six-year limit.

Even if the amendment squeaks through the House, it faces formidable hurdles in the Senate.

Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said he anticipated a ``long, deliberative discussion'' there. In other words, a probable Senate filibuster that could prove insurmountable.



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