VPIEJ-L Discussion Archives

May 1992

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Date:         Sat, 2 May 1992 16:13:23 EDT
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From:         "Allen Renear, Brown Univ/CIS,
              401-863-7312" 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
 
>From:         Gess Shankar 
> James Powell  writes:
>>  How do I balance the need to preserve the quality of the presentation
>>  with the need to make the text searchable?
> Why not generate two versions of the document? One plain ascii and the
> other in a formatted fashion?  [...]
 
Whatever the immediate practical solution, are we agreed on what we
should do in principle?
 
supply 2 things:  1) An SGML text instance and DTD
                  2) A  DSSL style sheet
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Date:         Mon, 4 May 1992 08:41:06 EDT
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Comments:     Resent-From: James Powell 
Comments:     Originally-From: "Allen Renear, Brown Univ/CIS,
              401-863-7312" 
From:         James Powell 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU   (or)   JPOWELL@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>From:         Gess Shankar 
> James Powell  writes:
>>  How do I balance the need to preserve the quality of the presentation
>>  with the need to make the text searchable?
> Why not generate two versions of the document? One plain ascii and the
> other in a formatted fashion?  [...]
 
*Whatever the immediate practical solution, are we agreed on what we
*should do in principle?
 
*supply 2 things:  1) An SGML text instance and DTD
*                  2) A  DSSL style sheet
 
How many electronic journals are currently doing this??  Who is currently
knowledgeable enough about SGML to do this quickly, to train editors, to
post a product?  This really needs to begin with the authors, who are currently
happily churning out their articles in Microsoft Word (Mac or PC), WordPerfect
or several other wordprocessors on other platforms.  Otherwise, we put a lot
of our time into manipulating the documents, spending lots of money.  I think
a good interim solution is to choose a common graphical format and provide
two versions of your journal: an ASCII text version with graphics in separate
files: .gif, .tiff, .eps, etc. and a full PostScript version (or a collection
of tiff files containing the scanned pages).  At a later date, the ASCII/image
hybrid could be updated to SGML.
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Date:         Mon, 4 May 1992 11:38:26 EDT
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From:         Guedon Jean-Claude 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
In-Reply-To:  <9205041249.AA23568@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA>; from "James Powell"
              at May 4, 92 8:41 am
 
>
> James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
>              >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU   (or)   JPOWELL@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
>              >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
>
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> >From:         Gess Shankar 
> > James Powell  writes:
> >>  How do I balance the need to preserve the quality of the presentation
> >>  with the need to make the text searchable?
> > Why not generate two versions of the document? One plain ascii and the
> > other in a formatted fashion?  [...]
>
> *Whatever the immediate practical solution, are we agreed on what we
> *should do in principle?
>
> *supply 2 things:  1) An SGML text instance and DTD
> *                  2) A  DSSL style sheet
>
> How many electronic journals are currently doing this??  Who is currently
> knowledgeable enough about SGML to do this quickly, to train editors, to
> post a product?  This really needs to begin with the authors, who are
 currently
> happily churning out their articles in Microsoft Word (Mac or PC), WordPerfect
> or several other wordprocessors on other platforms.  Otherwise, we put a lot
> of our time into manipulating the documents, spending lots of money.  I think
> a good interim solution is to choose a common graphical format and provide
> two versions of your journal: an ASCII text version with graphics in separate
> files: .gif, .tiff, .eps, etc. and a full PostScript version (or a collection
> of tiff files containing the scanned pages).  At a later date, the ASCII/image
> hybrid could be updated to SGML.
>
I believe Gess Shankar is essentially right. The distance between emerging
standards such as SGML, ODA and the like, and the average user of a word
processor is still too great. Besides, which standard will eventually come
to dominate world markets?
 
Our own e-journal project is working on pragmatic solutions, close to the
user. Macintosh and IBM are the posited platforms for the moment. MS-Word
is the word processor for the Mac universe, while WordPerfect is favored
in the MS-DOS and Windows environments. PostScript and Ascii will also
be supported, but ascii is not satisfactory as soon as you intend (as we
do) to use languages other than English, with diacriticals.
 
For those wishing to explore our journal (Surfaces), ftp to
harfang.cc.umontreal.ca according to the usual anonymous procedure.
cd to Surfaces/Articles/Macintosh and get the articles you want there.
MS-DOS articles will be ready before or on June 1st.
 
One article (Esch) requires retrieving photographs in the Gif format.
They are, accordingly, located in the Gif directory.
 
Best,
 
Jean-Claude Guedon
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Date:         Mon, 4 May 1992 17:04:42 EDT
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From:         Editors of PMC 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon,
              4 May 1992 11:38:26 EDT from 
 
_Postmodern Culture_ is seriously exploring the possibility of moving to
SGML-based production and distribution.  This doesn't mean that we would
cut off ascii production--for the time being, ascii output could be
obtained from an SGML document for Listserv distribution.  Based on what
I've been able to gather from various conferences and from reading, SGML
has the best chance of emerging as the standard markup system for electronic
text; the makers of major word-processing programs are (some of them, at
least) working on SGML compatibility, and there are independent software
companies working on SGML filters (back and forth from various word-processing
programs).  It might, in fact, be easier to go from _Surfaces_' word-processor
files to SGML than from ascii to SGML, in the future: ascii will have to
be marked up from scratch, whereas wp files will contain at least rudimentary
information about document appearance and structure.  Perhaps the interim
solution is to use word-processing software to produce ascii, save the wp
files for future conversion (and/or make them available by ftp, as _Surfaces_
does/will do), and distribute ascii (at least for Listserv-based journals).
 
John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Date:         Tue, 5 May 1992 16:29:02 EDT
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From:         Guedon Jean-Claude 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
In-Reply-To:  <9205042113.AA26690@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA>; from "Editors of
              PMC" at May 4, 92 5:04 pm
 
>
> _Postmodern Culture_ is seriously exploring the possibility of moving to
> SGML-based production and distribution.  This doesn't mean that we would
> cut off ascii production--for the time being, ascii output could be
> obtained from an SGML document for Listserv distribution.  Based on what
> I've been able to gather from various conferences and from reading, SGML
> has the best chance of emerging as the standard markup system for electronic
> text; the makers of major word-processing programs are (some of them, at
> least) working on SGML compatibility, and there are independent software
> companies working on SGML filters (back and forth from various word-processing
> programs).  It might, in fact, be easier to go from _Surfaces_' word-processor
> files to SGML than from ascii to SGML, in the future: ascii will have to
> be marked up from scratch, whereas wp files will contain at least rudimentary
> information about document appearance and structure.  Perhaps the interim
> solution is to use word-processing software to produce ascii, save the wp
> files for future conversion (and/or make them available by ftp, as _Surfaces_
> does/will do), and distribute ascii (at least for Listserv-based journals).
>
> John Unsworth
> Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
>
I am most heartened by John Unsworth's comments, of course, but there remains
one major question with regard to SGML, if I am not wrong: what about
graphics and especially photos. We at _Surfaces_ handle this with the
Gif format, but a unified solution would be better. And what about ODA?
 
By the way, the _Surfaces_  wp file for MS-DOS will be ready before June 1st.
I certainly will keep this list posted. Eighteen texts in MS-Word for the
Macintosh are already available and the constitute volume 1 of our new journal.
Nine photos going with the Esch article are also available in the Gif directory.
Surfaces is available by FTP at harfang.cc.umontreal.ca
 
Best,
 
Jean-Claude Guedon
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Date:         Tue, 5 May 1992 16:46:14 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
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From:         Editors of PMC 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue,
              5 May 1992 16:29:02 EDT from 
 
In re: Jean-Claude Guedon's question about graphics in SGML files, the
answer is that non-text objects (i.e., graphical images) can be incorporated
into the display of SGML documents.  The images themselves are not SGML-
marked, but SGML documents can indicate placement and display of images.
 
John Unsworth
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Date:         Tue, 5 May 1992 22:51:03 +0200
Reply-To:     enag@ifi.uio.no
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Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was enag@IFI.UIO.NO
From:         Erik Naggum 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
In-Reply-To:  <199205052036.AAifi01033@ifi.uio.no> (05 May 1992  16:29:02
              -0400)
 
|   I am most heartened by John Unsworth's comments, of course, but there
|   remains one major question with regard to SGML, if I am not wrong: what
|   about graphics and especially photos. We at _Surfaces_ handle this with
|   the Gif format, but a unified solution would be better. And what about
|   ODA?
 
I don't understand what a "unified" solution between text and graphics
would mean, since these are radically different data formats at the very
least.  SGML declares objects (which it calls entities) in a document
type declaration which are then referenced in the document.  These
declarations are open-ended, in that you can declare anything you want.
In practice, one would choose a fairly, if not completely, standardized
format, and GIF and JPEG are the biggest contenders for that position.
 
ODA does the same thing, only it has predefined content types, which
will most probably not include the popular de-facto standards if the
past is any guide.  In ODA everything is objects of their own type,
while in SGML, you have source document which refers to other objects as
needed.  The interchange and production of ODA documents requires very
special software, while SGML documents can be built from parts already
existing.  Getting any real use out of both ODA and SGML documents will
require some special software, but the text format of SGML documents
will enable us to make and use tools for more tasks than the specialized
ODA environment would require.
 
My opinion is that ODA is totally unfit for electronic publication at
its present stage of maturity and standardization, with new content
types and various additions and extended features being added every
month, partly because the world is developing quite rapidly, and ODA
needs to be changed at every major step.  SGML was designed much for the
needs of the (electronic) publication industry, and therefore is able to
adopt by reference data notations and formats as they emerge.
 
Best regards,

--
Erik Naggum       |  +47-295-0313     |  ISO 8879 SGML     |  Memento,
Naggum Software   |   "fuzzface"      |  ISO 10744 HyTime  |  terrigena.
Boks 1570, Vika   |   |  JTC 1/SC 18/WG 8  |  Memento,
0118 OSLO, NORWAY |  |  SGML UG SIGhyper  |  vita brevis.
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Date:         Tue, 5 May 1992 21:14:05 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
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From:         "Allen Renear, Brown Univ/CIS,
              401-863-7312" 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
 
Well, no one suggested that SGML wasn't the right way to go in the
the long run.  Only that it seemed a little daunting and few if any
ejournals/ are actually using it.
 
But actually, I think anyone starting out now should use SGML immediately.
It is hard for me to imagine a production system that has enough in the
way of short-term advantages over SGML to make holding back worth it.
 
I'm looking forward to the first SGML PMC!
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Date:         Wed, 6 May 1992 09:43:01 EDT
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Comments:     Resent-From: James Powell 
Comments:     Originally-From: Editors of PMC 
From:         James Powell 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue,
              5 May 1992 16:29:02 EDT from 
 
>In re: Jean-Claude Guedon's question about graphics in SGML files, the
>answer is that non-text objects (i.e., graphical images) can be incorporated
>into the display of SGML documents.  The images themselves are not SGML-
>marked, but SGML documents can indicate placement and display of images.
 
Isn't it true that you could actually use virtually any format for images?
I've read about EPS files being used with SGML.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU   (or)   JPOWELL@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Wed, 6 May 1992 10:35:20 EDT
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From:         Stu Weibel 
Subject:      Re: Appearances are something
 
>In re: Jean-Claude Guedon's question about graphics in SGML files, the
>answer is that non-text objects (i.e., graphical images) can be incorporated
>into the display of SGML documents.  The images themselves are not SGML-
>marked, but SGML documents can indicate placement and display of images.
 
>>Isn't it true that you could actually use virtually any format for
>>images?  I've read about EPS files being used with SGML.
 
Comments such as these lead me to believe there is confusion about what
it means to "publish" using SGML  (A strategy for which I am a strong
supporter, btw).
 
On the user end, there must be software that manages the formatting and
display of the marked-up text and graphics.  As long as this software
understands the grammar (as defined in the Document Type Definition, or
DTD) and knows what to expect in the way of graphic formats, just about
any graphics format is usable, although some are more practical than others.
 
And what about retrieval? For paper, retrieval comes at no extra charge
with the catalog, a binding and a shelf location.  Your end-user software
requires a retrieval engine that locates articles, either on the end-user's
system or elsewhere.
 
Files archived at various points on the internet do not a journal make.
 
Stu Weibel
OCLC Office of Research
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Date:         Wed, 6 May 1992 22:40:06 EDT
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From:         Stevan Harnad 
Subject:      E-Journal Consortium
 
From: Larry W. Hurtado 
Date: Wed, 6 May 92 14:29:19 CDT
 
              A CONSORTIUM FOR NETWORK PUBLICATION
                  OF REFEREED RESEARCH JOURNALS
 
                  First Advance Notice May 1992
 
The University of Manitoba has received funding commitments to organize
and hold an international conference to promote the establishment of a
consortium of universities and learned societies to sponsor computer
network publication of refereed journals. The consortium would be a
non-profit publishing cooperative intended to make use of the Internet
as an important medium for the publication of scholarly research in any
discipline. Since the summer of 1991, an ad hoc group at the University
of Manitoba has been developing the idea of the conference and the
proposed consortium, and has been working on funding proposals since
the Autumn of 1991. The conference is now tentatively slated for the
Autumn of 1993 and will be held at the University of Manitoba,
Winnipeg, Canada. We hope to enlist the interest and cooperation of
major research universities and learned societies across North America
and elsewhere.
 
Over the next year or so, we will be communicating the vision behind
the conference and consortium to the academic community. This is the
first advance notice, and we plan to provide updates with more specific
information on the conference details as plans for it develop.
 
As an analogy of sorts for the proposed consortium, in the
traditional publishing of books and paper journals, Scholars Press
(Atlanta, Georgia) is a unique example of such a cooperative, operating
under several major U.S. learned societies (e.g., American Academy of
Religion, Society of Biblical Literature, American Philological
Society), with a number of universities in the U.S. and Canada as
sponsors of particular publication projects such as major monograph
series. It is an example of groups in the academic community taking
collective responsibility to see that worthy scholarship gets
published, without commercial considerations determining the question.
 
The Internet is the major new medium for dissemination of research, and
it is vital that the scholarly community, through its major
institutions of universities and learned societies, become acquainted
with the enormous potential of the Internet for scholarship. Commercial
companies are already devoting attention to developing computer network
publication projects. It is imperative that the scholarly community not
leave this major medium to be developed solely by commercial
interests.
 
The basic aims are (1) to make academic merit the sole consideration
in the publication of journal- type research, (2) to advance the idea
that the academic community should have a hand in determining what gets
published and how it is disseminated, (3) to provide a major outlet of
research publication that is not subject to the severe economic
constraints of traditional paper-journal publishing (soaring costs in
some commercially attractive fields, very limited journal outlets for
less commercially attractive fields), (4) to make collective and
considered use of the scholarly advantages of network publication
(e.g., savings in production costs, speedup in publication and
dissemination process), (5) to provide an effective and low-cost means
for universities and learned societies to play a greater role as
disseminators of research information and not only as producers and
consumers of research information.
 
Our initial objective at this point is to inform as many in the
scholarly community as possible of the conference and the consortium
proposal, and to solicit interest in these plans. Please contact us for
more information, and to be kept informed on the progress in our
planning. We also sincerely invite you to offer your ideas on things to
be included in the conference, key people to inform and possibly invite
to the conference, and any other matters relevant to the conference and
consortium proposal.
 
For more information, and to express your interests in the conference
and consortium, contact the convenor of the University of Manitoba ad
hoc Committee on Electronic Journals, Professor Larry W. Hurtado,
Institute for the Humanities, 108 Isbister Bldg., University of
Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, R3T 2N2. Phone: (204) 474-9114. FAX (204)
275-5781. E-mail: hurtado@ccu.umanitoba.ca.
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Date:         Thu, 7 May 1992 13:48:00 EDT
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From:         "Carol P. Hawks" 
Subject:      Re: authorization
 
In response to Ramona Steffey's questions dated 4/22/92:
.
We are involved in acquiring, receiving, and posting 13 electronic
journals in the Acquisition Dept.  We have tried to mainstream this
titles as much as possible.  They are placed on order and received
in our INNOVACQ Acquisitions and Serials System.  However, these act-
ivities are not performed by the usual serials check-in clerks but
rather by the supervisor of the Receiving Division.  After much help
and assistance from people in our automation area, the electronic
subscriptions are issued via the Internet and the issues received
via e-mail.  The issues are transferred to a Unix editor, headers
are stripped, multiple issues combined into a single document, etc.
once this is complete, the documents are transferred to the university's
campuswide information system and available through menus along with
other information resources.
.
Our cataloging dept. catalogs these items traditionally for inclusion
in the online catalog.  Details on any cataloging issues can be ob-
tained from Marilyn Kercher (kercher@ohstmvsa.bitnet).
.
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Carol Pitts Hawks                                         *
Head, Acquisition Department                              *
Editor, _Library Acquisitions: Practice & Theory_         *
The Ohio State University Libraries                       *
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BITNET:  CHAWKS@OHSTMVSA                                  *
Internet:  hawks.1@osu.edu                                *
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Date:         Sat, 9 May 1992 13:58:04 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
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From:         Stevan Harnad 
Subject:      PSYC volume/issue numbering
 
> Date:    Fri, 08 May 92 18:38 PDT
> To:      psyc@PUCC.BITNET
> From:    Christine Borgman                    
> Subject: Re: New format for PSYCOLOQUY
>
> Steve,
> you will probably hear from many librarians on this format!
>
> PLEASE KEEP THE VOLUME AND ISSUE NUMBERS!!! They are the only way to
> track the sequence of issues in order and the only way to reference
> them in formal publications.  The format you suggest will be deleted by
> any copy editor required to follow APA format, for example.  The more
> you can do to follow the accepted formats, the more likely we can integrate
> the different communication formats and cross reference among them...
> thanks,
> Christine Borgman,  UCLA
 
Christine:
 
Thanks for writing. Actually, you are the only librarian who has
commented on PSYCOLOQUY's proposal so far (and perhaps that's a hopeful
sign!), but we would like to be as flexible and as accommodating as
possible in this transitional period.
 
For an electronic journal, volume and issue numbers are minimally
informative and actually unnecessary, because they are redundant with
more informative and searchable keyword indicators (see below).
However, they are the mainstay of paper journals and they represent
current convention.
 
Perhaps the easiest compromise would be to provide an annual dummy
volume and issue number along with the format proposed below so as to
preserve continuity with the paper format and to keep things looking as
familiar as possible for authors and readers. All of PSYCOLOQUY 1992
would then be volume 3, Number 1. Would that solve the problem for
library record keeping?
 
As to the format for citing electronic journals: This will definitely
have to have unique features, differentiating it from the format for
paper journals (surely you would not insist on dummy page numbers
too!). PSYCOLOQUY is sponsored by APA, and when we have settled on an
optimal format we will discuss with the APA Office of Publications
and Communication how to revise the APA manual to include citation
formats for electronic journals.
 
(My original proposal follows below; I am also cross-posting this to
some library and electronic journal lists for further feedback.)
 
Stevan Harnad
Co-Editor, PSYCOLOQUY
 
> Date:         Sun, 3 May 1992 14:25:36 EST
> From:         Stevan Harnad 
> Subject:      New format for PSYCOLOQUY
>
> In keeping with our policy of adapting flexibly to the evolution of
> this new medium, PSYCOLOQUY has adopted a new format. The archival peer
> reviewed journal section will now appear one contribution at a time,
> with a new indexing format. We are abandoning volume and issue numbers.
> The "volume" number will simply be the last 2 digits of the year
> (psycoloquy.92) and in lieu of an issue NUMBER, we will use an issue
> KEYWORD (psycoloquy.92.consciousness). This is to make the issue
> citation more informative and transparent even when only the archival
> information is scanned in an index of electronic files. In addition,
> there will be a "thread" number, to indicate where in a series of
> contributions concerning the same target article a particular
> contribution stands (psycoloquy.92.consciousness.1). The last component
> of the descriptor will be the author's name
> (psycoloquy.92.consciousness.1.bridgeman).
>
> The recommended format for citation will now be:
>
> Bridgeman, Bruce (1992) On the Evolution of Consciousness and Language.
> PSYCOLOQUY consciousness.1
>
> additional optional retrieval information:
>
> [29 paragraphs, 20 references; file psycoloquy.92.consciousness.1.bridgeman
> retrievable by anonymous ftp from host princeton.edu directory /pub/harnad]
>
> Comments on this proposed format are welcome; we will continue to adapt
> to the needs of the new medium as they become clearer.
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Date:         Sat, 9 May 1992 16:28:11 -0400
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From:         "Carl Briggs, public relations" 
Subject:      Re:  Do E-Journals Make Sense?
 
I realize I'm joining this discussion late, but the beauty of the e-mail
system is that I can join it at all.
 
I'm the director of public relations in a one-person office at a 750-student
undergraduate college that few on this list probably have heard about.  I
don't mind the minimal recognition, since I enjoy my work and believe in the
mission of the institution.
 
My point is just that I'm out here in the hills of West Virginia and can
participate fully on lists such as this.  It's just one step beyond to see
that I -- and the faculty here -- can likewise contribute to as many new
e-journals as people want to create.
 
Electronic publishing allows faculty members who would never before have an
adequate chance to participate in scholarship _to do so fully_.  We've got
a professor here who's working with a colleague in Alabama.  It's as if they
are in offices next to each other.  They're working on a paper, and it will
get published.  Maybe it will be "published" in an electronic journal.
 
E-mail is about the "full democratization of the academy," so to speak, where
faculty and staff can communicate to each other regardless of location (or
wealth of institution).  People can team up across vast distances and
combine their efforts for a variety of "papers" (even the words we use are
becoming outdated as soon as we can think up new ones).
 
If the question is promotion/tenure/publishing/etc., I'm sure that can be
resolved.  The point is to share information and have research profit all
education professionals.  I mean, that, supposedly, is the point of
scholarship.
 
For instance, we have the nation's oldest four-year physician assistant program.
I would like to think that if one of our students/faculty/alumni comes up with
some new advance in treatment, such information could be shared rapidly
across the network.
 
We need to start thinking like partners on the networks.  And I can assure you
that there are thousands of professors at small colleges throughout the world
that will play a role if permitted to do so.
 
The bottom line is restructuring all of higher educations.  It's going to
happen one way or another.  We might as well be intentional about it.
 
carl briggs
BRIGGS@AB.WVNET.EDU
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Date:         Sat, 9 May 1992 18:21:00 EDT
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From:         BURNET@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
 
Like Chris Borgman, I am a library and information studies educator, which
is not to say a librarian.  Unlike Chris, I don't see any real problem with
the format proposed for PSYCOLOQUY.  It may take the style manuals a bit
to catch up, but rest assured, they will.  We are dealing with a new
medium here, and it doesn't make sense to perpetuate a volume and
numbering schema that is meaningless.  Perhaps it will even inspire a
change in print journals!  I've often wished, when searching for an
issue of Library Trends which I know by its subject matter rather than
volume/issue that some key to the contents might be provided.  Yes, it
will make it harder to deal with using current standardized formats (such
as MARC), but these are not immutable structures. There is room for
growth and change.
 
Kathleen Burnett
Dept. of LIS
Rutgers University
 
burnet@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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Date:         Sun, 10 May 1992 19:14:18 PDT
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From:         Julie Kwan 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat,
              9 May 1992 13:58:04 EDT from 
 
I suggest looking into this with the Online Journal of Clinical
Trials folks.  I know that the National Library of medicine and
the folks working on this journal have dealt with this issue.
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Date:         Sat, 9 May 1992 16:36:33 EDT
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From:         Guedon Jean-Claude 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
In-Reply-To:  <9205091809.AA09400@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA>; from "Stevan Harnad"
              at May 9, 92 1:58 pm
 
We at Surfaces have decided on the following solution:
 
1. One volume per year;
 
2. One number per ARTICLE: this allows to go from one to x
with each article and thus allows for the possible updating
of articles by authors, if they want to prevail themselves
of this (refereed) possibility;
 
3. A clear indication of pagination within the text, that
may differ from the screen or printed pages according to the
format adopted. This is due to the fact that we want to
offer "published" versions of our texts in a variety of
common formats (MS-Word for Macintosh, WordPerfect for
MS-DOS and Windows, PostScript, etc...). Our philosophy
is that electronic journals root their electronic
usefulness at the level of diffusion and searching through texts,
while reading is bound to remain a paper-based affair for
quite a long time to come. Accordingly, we delegate the
task of printing to our readers or to the libraries.
 
Reactions from librarians to this proposal would be most useful
in this regard.
 
Our journal, Surfaces, can be consulted in the Macintosh format
at the following ftp site: harfang.cc.umontreal.ca. /Surfaces/Articles/
Macintosh. Some illustrations in the Gif format are available in
the /Surfaces/Articles/GIF directory. They all relate to the Esch
article. MS-DOS versions should be ready by the end of this month.
 
Jean-Claude Guedon
guedon@ere.umontreal.ca
co-editor Surfaces
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Date:         Fri, 15 May 1992 13:15:18 EDT
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From:         "Thomas B. Hickey" 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
 
>
>I suggest looking into this with the Online Journal of Clinical
>Trials folks.  I know that the National Library of medicine and
>the folks working on this journal have dealt with this issue.
>
 
CCT plans to have one volume per year ("1992", etc.) with a document
number for each article.  Since articles appear as they are available,
there are no issues.  AAAS didn't want page numbers, so there aren't
any. This is probably just as well since, depending on how it is
printed, the pagination will differ.
 
--Th
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Date:         Sat, 16 May 1992 09:09:56 EDT
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From:         Guedon Jean-Claude 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
In-Reply-To:  <9205160625.AA13319@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA>; from "Thomas B.
              Hickey" at May 15, 92 1:15 pm
 
>
> >
> >I suggest looking into this with the Online Journal of Clinical
> >Trials folks.  I know that the National Library of medicine and
> >the folks working on this journal have dealt with this issue.
> >
>
> CCT plans to have one volume per year ("1992", etc.) with a document
> number for each article.  Since articles appear as they are available,
> there are no issues.  AAAS didn't want page numbers, so there aren't
> any. This is probably just as well since, depending on how it is
> printed, the pagination will differ.
>
> --Th
>
We, at Surfaces, also use one number per document, except that
we call it a number, so as to preserve the traditional modes
of article citing. With regard to pagination, we differentiate between
folios (for screen or paper presentation - and it will indeed
change from one machine to another), and pagination, fixed within the text,
for quotation purposes. Present citation practices do require page
numbers and, as long as computer-based search techniques will
be universally adopted with the accompanying standards, page numbers
appear to be a necessary instrument.
 
To repeat an earlier message of mine, technological transitions
occur best when the new technology emulates the old in its
introductory phase.
 
Jean-Claude Guedon
Co-editor of Surfaces
Litterature comparee
Universite de Montreal
guedon@ere.umontreal.ca
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Date:         Sat, 16 May 1992 09:16:31 EDT
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              and Access" 
From:         Guedon Jean-Claude 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
In-Reply-To:  <9205160625.AA13319@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA>; from "Thomas B.
              Hickey" at May 15, 92 1:15 pm
 
Re-reading my previous message, I noted that I wrote it so
fast that it looks like fractured English. I meant that at
Surfaces, we have retained the notion of issues except
that each article or document is given a different number,
thus acting as a separate issue.
 
I also meant that as long as computer search techniques are not
universally available, along with relevant standards, page
numbering will remain in effect so as to allow relatively
precise citations. By distinguishing folios as units of
presentation (on screen or on paper) from pages, the
limits of which are embedded within the text itself,
we provide a stable base for citations and we also
provide a local map corresponding to various materializations
of our files.
 
Jean-Claude Guedon
guedon@ere.umontreal.ca
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Date:         Sat, 16 May 1992 09:56:54 EDT
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From:         Ann Lillian Okerson 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat,
              16 May 1992 09:16:31 EDT from 
 
For those who are discussing how to number journals, does the ISO
draft standard for citations of electronic documents offer you any help?
If you don't have it, we can mail a copy (keying would be a huge job).
 
Ann Okerson
Association of Research Libraries
Office of Scientific & Academic Publishing
1527 New Hampshire Avenue, NW
Washington, DC  20036
okerson@umdc.umd.edu
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Date:         Sat, 16 May 1992 10:25:17 EDT
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From:         Guedon Jean-Claude 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
In-Reply-To:  <9205161402.AA14050@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA>; from "Ann Lillian
              Okerson" at May 16, 92 9:56 am
 
>
> For those who are discussing how to number journals, does the ISO
> draft standard for citations of electronic documents offer you any help?
> If you don't have it, we can mail a copy (keying would be a huge job).
>
> Ann Okerson
> Association of Research Libraries
> Office of Scientific & Academic Publishing
> 1527 New Hampshire Avenue, NW
> Washington, DC  20036
> okerson@umdc.umd.edu
>
Dear Ms Okerson,
 
Could you send me this document at the following
address:
 
Dr. jean-Claude Guedon
Departement de litterature comparee
Universite de Montreal
P.O. Box 6128, Branch "A"
Montreal, Quebec H3C 3J7
Canada
 
Many thanks.
 
Sincerely,
 
Jean-Claude Guedon
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Date:         Sat, 16 May 1992 15:23:39 EDT
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From:         Stevan Harnad 
Subject:      Re: PSYC volume/issue numbering
 
PSYCOLOQUY's provisional solution to the pagination problem is to
number every paragraph. That allows even more focussed citation than
page numbers for quotations, etc. Each article is preceded by the
number of paragraphs, references and lines it contains.
 
Meanwhile, we have capitulated and will retain volume numbers
and article numbers for the time being.
 
Stevan Harnad
Co-Editor
PSYCOLOQUY
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Date:         Mon, 18 May 1992 09:18:02 EDT
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From:         James Powell 
Subject:      Carousel
 
Did anyone else see the story on CNN about Adobe's portable PostScript
technology currently known as Carousel?  It consists of specifications for
a portable PostScript-document format (PPDF) defining the set of PostScript
commands allowed and including a compression routine to reduce file sizes and
a PPDF viewer application for various platforms that includes some sort of
hypertext-like features.
 
See MacUser March 1992, pp. 183-
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU   (or)   JPOWELL@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 1992 08:05:47 EDT
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From:         James Powell 
Subject:      LISTSERV PS
 
Quite a few people have had problems retrieving the LISTSERV PS.  In a couple
of weeks (maybe sooner) I will make this file and all the other VPIEJ-L
archives available from an anonymous FTP site.  I'll make a complete
announcement including the IP address as soon as the site is available.
If you really really want it now, please send me another note and I will
arrange to send it to you uuencoded in mail.  But if you can wait, please
do.  I appreciate your patience.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU   (or)   JPOWELL@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 1992 06:03:00 PST
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From:         "Sally Hambridge, SC1-2, 765-2931" 
Subject:      Away on a trip
 
I'll be out of the office until 6/2/92, but will be checking my mail again
starting 5/27/92.  I'll get back to you as soon as I can after that date.
 
Sally
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 1992 09:50:22 EDT
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From:         "Betsy N. Kiser" 
Subject:      Balancing Quality of Presentation with Searchability
 
This is in response to some earlier discussions about balancing the quality of
presentation with the need to make text searchable.  I agree that we should be
providing two things: 1) an SGML text instance and DTD
                      2) a DSSSL style sheet
 
As DSSSL is just a draft international standard, no one is using DSSSL yet, but
people are using FOSI's (Formatted Output Specification Instance) to fill the
role of the FOSI.  Basically a FOSI or DSSSL style sheet specifies the format-
ting that should be applied to an SGML document.  There is software out there
now that supports FOSI's (e.g. ArborText).
 
I encourage people to begin using SGML.  The OCLC/AAAS collaborative effort,
the Online Journal of Current Clinical Trials is marked up with SGML tags.
Also, Microsoft and WordPerfect are both working on SGML support for their word
processors.  This will make the authoring end of things much easier.[
Betsy Kiser
 
(I see that I've made a typo above, it should be "to fill the role of DSSSL")
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Date:         Fri, 22 May 1992 11:20:08 -0400
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From:         heye@LPI.DNET.NASA.GOV
Subject:      Lunar and Planetary Science Online Database
 
From:  Mary K. Heye, LPI::HEYE (NSI/DECNET)
       Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston, Texas
 
Dear Colleagues:
 
The Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI) provides a focus for
academic participation in studies of the current state,
evolution, and formation of the solar system.  We are part of the
Universities Space Research Association (USRA), a private,
nonprofit consortium of 75 member universities which serves as a
mechanism through which universities and other research
institutions may cooperate with one another, with the United
States government, and with other organizations both public and
private, to further space science and technology.
 
Located in Houston, Texas, the Institute and two USRA divisions -
- the Division for Space Life Sciences, and the Division of
Educational Programs -- make up the Center for Advanced Space
Studies.  Research includes lunar and planetary science, advanced
engineering design, and space biomedicine.  Included in the
Center are a computing center (which includes the Image Processing
Facility and the Scientific Visualization Facility), extensive
collections of lunar and planetary data, an extensive library,
publishing services, and facilities for workshops and conferences.
 
The LPI publishes a variety of abstract volumes, conference
proceedings, workshop reports, and newsletters, and has begun
experimenting with disseminating some of these publications
electronically.  Rising costs and dissatisfaction with long
publishing lead times were but two of the reasons we recently
concluded a 22-year proceedings series in planetary sciences.  We
share the basic aims in seeking an alternative method of
disseminating research as presented by the University of Manitoba
in developing a Consortium for Network Publication of Refereed
Research Journals (May 6, 1992). We seek active participation in
this Consortium.
 
The LPI Publications Services Department, Computer Center,
Program Services Department, and Center for Information and
Research Services are building an online system that provides
remote access to a comprehensive database system in lunar and
planetary science.  This system, still in its formative stages,
includes abstracts of conferences and workshops; a bibliography
of lunar and planetary literature; a catalog of LPI holdings,
such as books, maps, and imagery; special indexes; conference
and workshop information; and an online newsletter, the Lunar
and Planetary Information Bulletin.
 
For example, abstracts of the following LPI-affiliated meetings
are or will be available electronically:
 
These abstracts are available now:
 
Joint Workshop on New Technologies for Lunar Resource Assessment
held April 6-7 in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
 
The following abstracts will be available by the date indicated:
 
Workshop on Evolution of the Martian Atmosphere, June 29-July 1,
Kona, Hawaii.  On line by May 25.
 
55th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting, July 27-31, Copenhagen.
On line by June 26.
 
International Colloquium on Venus, August 10-12, Pasadena,
California.  On line by July 3.
 
Large Meteorite Impacts and Planetary Evolution, August 31 -
September 2, Sudbury, Ontario.  On line by June 30.
 
Workshop on Chemical Weathering on Mars, September 10-12, Cape
Canaveral, Florida.  On line by July 24.
 
Workshop on Innovative Instrumentation for the In Situ Study of
Atmosphere-Surface Interactions on Mars, October 8-9, Mainz,
Germany.  On line by mid-September.
 
Second International Planetary Science Conference/24th Meeting of
the Division for Planetary Sciences of the AAS, October 12-16,
Munich.  On line by July 31.
 
Workshop on the Polar Regions of Mars:  Geology, Glaciology, and
Climate History, November 13-15, Houston, Texas. On line by October 30.
 
Apollo 17 Landing Site Workshop, December 2-4, Houston, Texas.
On line by November 2.
 
We are connected to the NASA Science Internet (NSI) as dual
protocol (TCP/IP and DECNET) nodes.  To access our online system,
 
  on NSI/DECNET (SPAN), type SET HOST LPI.
  on NSI/Internet, type TELNET LPI.JSC.NASA.GOV or TELNET
192.101.147.11.
 
To dial direct, call 713-244-2090 or 713-244-2091 to connect to
2400/1200/300 baud.
 
For all three methods of access, respond to USERNAME: LPI.  No
password is necessary.  For abstracts, choose the name of the
conference as it appears on the menu.  For the newsletter, choose
The Lunar and Planetary Information Bulletin.  Wording on menus
is subject to change since we are still experimenting with organization
of the database.
 
We are especially interested in solving the many problems of
making graphics, tabular data, and mathematical equations readily
available on line to a large community.  Please interact with us.
We look forward to exploring the potential of electronic
dissemination with you.
 
Mary K. Heye, Manager, Publications Services Department, Lunar
and Planetary Institute, 3600 Bay Area Boulevard, Houston, Texas,
77058, 713-486-2143, LPI::HEYE (NSI/DECNET).
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Date:         Fri, 29 May 1992 08:37:23 EDT
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From:         James Powell 
 
Date:         Thu, 28 May 92 16:26:14 EST
From:         Charles Husbands 
Subject:      E-journals at PAIG in San Francisco
To:           VPIEJ-L@VTVM1,
              PACS-L@UHUPVM1
 
The LITA Programmer/Analyst Interest Group will meet at ALA in San Francisco
on Sunday morning, June 28.  The discussion will concern technical aspects
of offering access to electronic journals:  storage, platforms, delivery
mechanisms, relations to OPACs, etc.  Anyone interested is invited to
attend.  Discussion will be informal, as always.
 
A more official announcement of the event will be posted in a couple of
weeks.  The reason for this early note is to solicit participation from
you who have experience offering e-journals in experimental or production
situations.  If you might be willing to volunteer a short presentation, ca.
ten minutes, about what you have been doing, please contact me, Charles
Husbands, as HUSBAN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU or HUSBAN@HARVARDA.BITNET.
Either Priscilla Caplan (the vice-chair of PAIG) or I will get back to you.
 
Thanks in advance for your expressions of interest.
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Date:         Fri, 29 May 1992 11:20:40 EDT
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              and Access" 
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From:         James Powell 
 
Posted for Charles Husbands, 
 
Date:         Thu, 28 May 92 16:26:14 EST
From:         Charles Husbands 
Subject:      E-journals at PAIG in San Francisco
To:           VPIEJ-L@VTVM1,
              PACS-L@UHUPVM1
 
The LITA Programmer/Analyst Interest Group will meet at ALA in San Francisco
on Sunday morning, June 28.  The discussion will concern technical aspects
of offering access to electronic journals:  storage, platforms, delivery
mechanisms, relations to OPACs, etc.  Anyone interested is invited to
attend.  Discussion will be informal, as always.
 
A more official announcement of the event will be posted in a couple of
weeks.  The reason for this early note is to solicit participation from
you who have experience offering e-journals in experimental or production
situations.  If you might be willing to volunteer a short presentation, ca.
ten minutes, about what you have been doing, please contact me, Charles
Husbands, as HUSBAN@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU or HUSBAN@HARVARDA.BITNET.
Either Priscilla Caplan (the vice-chair of PAIG) or I will get back to you.
 
Thanks in advance for your expressions of interest.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU   (or)   JPOWELL@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals

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