VPIEJ-L Discussion Archives

September 1992

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:47:50 EDT
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From:         James Powell 
Subject:      Correction/Update
 
The wais source for VPIEJ-L has been moved to /pub/vpiej-l/wais-src on
borg.lib.vt.edu.  Four new sources have been added for testing:
 
catalyst.src for The Community Services CATALYST
 
jte.src for the Journal of Technology Education
 
jiahr.src for the Journal of the International Academy of Hospitality Research
 
ijaema_a.src for The International Journal of Analytical and Experimental
Modal Analysis
 
These are being announced only to subscribers of VPIEJ-L for the moment.  A
contact at Think.com advises me these sources would not overtax the system
where the databases reside. I would like to verify this.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:16:24 EDT
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From:         mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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              and Access" 
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Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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              and Access" 
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From:         Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@ABN.NLA.GOV.AU
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
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From:         Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@ABN.NLA.GOV.AU
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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              and Access" 
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From:         Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@ABN.NLA.GOV.AU
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,              and
 Access" 
Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,              and Access"
 
From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
  --- The transcript of the session follows ---
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
bellmail: cannot create //dead.letter
bellmail: error closing file: A file descriptor does not refer to an open file.
554 ddack,mhenty... Unknown mailer error 3
 
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Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,              and
 Access" 
Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,              and Access"
 
From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:32 +0100
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
X-To:         VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
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To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
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To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
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From: Mail.Delivery.Subsystem@abn.nla.gov.au
Subject:      Returned mail: Unknown mailer error 3
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To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
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To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
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bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/ddack
bellmail: cannot append to /usr/spool/mail/mhenty
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
X-To:         PACS-L@UHUPVM1.BITNET, VPIEJ-L@VTVM1.BITNET
To: Multiple recipients of list VPIEJ-L 
 
(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)
 
The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
         email: mmanoff@athena.mit.edu
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:58:13 EDT
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              and Access" 
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From:         James Powell 
Subject:      bug report
 
As you may have noticed, a few copies (6-7) of bounced mail was distributed
back over the list.  Here's the explanation for those interested:
 
VPIEJ-L is forwarded to a usenet group called bit.listserv.vpiej-l.  In order
for the people who choose to read VPIEJ-L via usenet to post to the group,
it was necessary for me to set up the list so that anyone can post.  Otherwise
their submissions were rejected as being from non-subscribers.  We do not
currently have control over the usenet gateway, so listserv changes are the
only way I can provide posting capabilities to non-subscribers.  If this
continues to be a problem, I will attempt to set up a userid through which
non-subscribers may submit mail which would be processed by a human instead of
a computer.  In the mean time, I would ask you to be patient and send all
comments reguarding problems with the list to jpowell@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu.
 
Thanks.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:35:49 -0400
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From:         stigle@CS.UNCA.EDU
Subject:      Announcing BIBSOFT list
 
**********************************************************************
Cross-posted to PACS-L, BI-L, MEDLIB-L, PRO-CITE, ENDNOTE, LIBMASTR,
HUMANIST, VPIEJ-L, AND ASKSAM-L.
**********************************************************************
 
The following is an announcement of a new list for bibliographic
software discussions.
 
**********************************************************************
                PLEASE SAVE THIS INFORMATION
 
 
              Welcome to the BITNET list BIBSOFT
                      September 8, 1992
 
 
 
BIBSOFT ON LISTSERV@INDYCMS.BITNET
BIBSOFT ON LISTSERV@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (134.68.1.1)
 
 
WHAT IS BIBSOFT:
 
BIBSOFT is an international electronic forum for anyone
interested in discussing software designed for personal
bibliographic database management.
 
Some examples of relevant topics for BIBSOFT:
    How to choose a program
    Comparisons of programs
    Downloading from library catalogs and other databases:
           It sounds so easy; why is it so hard?
    Standards and formats for bibliographic information
    Citation formatting -- how well does it work?
    When not to use a bibliography software program
    How to organize and conduct a user group
    Training tips
    Clever uses of programs
    Features you'd like but can't find in any programs
    Conceptual models for managing bibliographic information
(These topics are just suggestions to indicate the scope of BIBSOFT.)
 
BIBSOFT is not restricted to a particular software program or
hardware platform.  The following programs are examples of
dedicated bibliography software.  The electronic mail addresses
following some programs are for computer conferences devoted
to that program.
    BiB/Search
    BRS/Search (brs-l@uscvm.bitnet)
    dms4Cite
    EndNote and EndNote Plus (endnote@ucsbvm.bitnet)
    Library Master (libmastr@uottawa.bitnet;
                    libmastr@acadvm1.uottawa.ca)
    Papyrus
    Pro-Cite   (procite-l@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu)
    Reference Manager
    Scientific Reference System II
 
In addition, some people use the following text database
programs for citations:
    askSam  (asksam-l@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu)
    Cardbox-Plus
    ideaList
    Notebook II
    Paperbase De Luxe
 
 
WHO IS BIBSOFT FOR:
 
People trying to choose a program
Librarians and others who consult with users
People who conduct training in one or more programs
 
 
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Owners:    Jim Morgan 
                      
             Automation Librarian
             Ruth Lilly Medical Library
             Indiana University School of Medicine
             975 W. Walnut
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             (317) 274-1408   FAX (317) 274-2088
 
           Sue Stigleman 
             Writer, consultant, and computer science major
                at University of North Carolina at Asheville
             PO Box 8074
             Asheville, NC  28814-8074
             (704) 251-9059
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:56:01 EDT
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              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Carol Meyer 
Subject:      Re: Announcing BIBSOFT list
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 09 Sep 92 09:54:12 EDT from 
 
OK, I'll ask Craig to subscribe.  By the way, do you know if he can
subscribe from his Sun id, or do we have to get him a bitnet address?
 
-Carol
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:27:03 EDT
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              and Access" 
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              and Access" 
From:         Bernie 
Subject:      Re: Announcing BIBSOFT list
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:56:01 EDT from 
 
I think Craig should be able to subscribe from Sun id. He  could try it
and he could also call the SA at the site to ask.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:07:00 EDT
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              and Access" 
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              and Access" 
From:         "PROFESSOR M. BITETTO" 
Subject:      RE: Very interesting software f/t visually handicapped.....
 
From:   BITNET%"EDUTEL@RPIECS.BITNET"      "Education and information technologi
es" 16-AUG-1992 16:52:05.85
To:     Micheal Barlo , "Richard J. England...
CC:
Subj:   RE: TALKING software
Date:    Sat, 15 Aug 1992 0:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
From:    DOANE@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (BETSEY DOANE)
Subject: RE: TALKING software
 
Thank you very very much--this looks absolutely WILD!
Wow, maybe at last an inexpensive and affordable way for print handicapped
people to get on line!--Betsey Doane 
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:06:00 EDT
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              and Access" 
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              and Access" 
From:         "PROFESSOR M. BITETTO" 
Subject:      RE: Very interesting software f/t visually handicapped.....
 
                           C.A.S.E.B.
 
 
                         What is CASEB?
 
                        What does it do?
 
                  What hardware will it run on?
 
              What operating systems does it run on?
 
                     How much does it cost?
 
 
 
                          TECHNOLOGY
 
     CASEB (Computer Aided Search and Electronic Book) is a
hybrid database and electronic book rolled in one. That is, you
can search for the reading matter on the topic of interest and
afterwards view those articles through the same program. Just
like a physical book, the electronic book can be viewed in a
page by page, or, chapter by chapter fashion (you view virtual
pages and can jump to any virtual page desired).
 
 
                        ACCESSIBILITY
 
     Even more amazing, this technology allows you to view
entire lists of articles in any order desired and since all
the information is in generic electronic form, it can quickly and
easily be viewed by visually impaired persons (comes with
adaptive technology interfaces that allow it to be fully
compliant with both 504 and Americans with Disabilities
Act regulations).
 
 
                        COMPATIBILITY
 
     In terms of hardware compatibility, CASEB will function on
almost any computer system and with almost any operating system
(the adaptive device drivers will only work with externally
attached speech and braille printers that use serial, parallel
and S C S I ports).
 
 
                        AFFORDABILITY
 
    However, the most amazing thing about this program is its
price. It only cost 15 U.S. dollars per copy (only within the
continental U.S. and only for generic diskette format on 5.25"
media). The user support licenses are only 25 U.S. dollars per
year (only within the continental U.S. and only by cassette
tape).
 
 
 
 
 
 
     For machines other than I.B.M. P C compatibles, a porting
fee is involved. For more information about porting fees or
training seminars, call (718)278-8191.
 
                     INFORMATION INK, LTD.
                     2542 49 Street
                     Long Island City, N.Y. 11103
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:05:00 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
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              and Access" 
From:         "PROFESSOR M. BITETTO" 
Subject:      RE: Very interesting software f/t visually handicapped.....
 
TALKING Version 1.2.2.  INFORMATION INK, LTD.
Copyright (c) 1984,  1986,  1990,  1991,  1992
All Rights Reserved
 
 
What is TALKING?
 
What hardware is it compatible with?
 
What software is it compatible with?
 
How much does it cost?
 
 
     TALKING is a program that converts digitally stored data
into  speech; however, unlike any of the other commercially
available speech software, TALKING does not run on only one type
of computer platform and also does not run as a terminate and
stay resident program (a primitive operating systems version of
a device driver i.e. Micro Soft DOS). Consequently, this program
is not limited in its size and flexibility (it can take
advantage of such modern operating systems features as demand
paging and frame page management).
 
     In terms of hardware compatibility, TALKING will work with
computers that range from XEROX 820, Apple Macintosh,
I.B.M. Compatible, DEC VAX, I.B.M. R-6000, Kaypro 1 through 10,
NEXT P C, I.B.M. A.S. 400, Silicon Graphics workstations, NIXTOFF
systems, Data General workstations, H.P. 3000-9000 workstations,
full line of Sun Micro Systems SPARC based workstations, full
line of A T and T 6000 based computers, A T and T 3B1, full line
of A T and T 3B2 family of computers, full line of Commodore
AMIGA's, I.B.M. 3090 family of computers, full line Control Data
family of computers, full line of Cray computers and the complete
line of SPARC compatible workstations that are made by more than
200 companies.
     Additionally, this program will function on almost any
speech synthesizer that operates via a serial, parallel, or, S C
S I port (it will not function with any internally base speech
synthesizers and any of the T.S.I based speech synthesizers).
 
     When it comes to software compatibility, TALKING will
operate with almost any application that runs under VAX V.M.S.,
Ultrix, O.S. 400, C.D.C. NOS, A T and T UNIX, Berkeley UNIX,
M.A.C.H. (pronounced MOC and is an operating system developed at
C.M.U.), Digital Research Concurrent DOS, Digital Research Multi-
user DOS, Commodore Amiga DOS, Macintosh MIX, SUN O.S., I.B.M.
O.S. 400, I.B.M. C.M.S., V MOS, MINOS, and Coherent O.S.
 
     Most significantly, TALKING only cost 15 U.S. dollars (only
within the continental U.S. and only for five and a quarter
inch diskette technology in generic disk format) per copy
and a user support fee of only 12 U.S. dollars per year
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(only within the continental U.S. and is offered only by audio
cassette). This is in sharp contrast to the other commercially
offered speech programs that range in cost from 600 to 1000
U.S. dollars each and are only capable of functioning on either
Macintosh Computers running Mac O.S., or, I.B.M. compatible
running Micro Soft DOS (a primitive C.P.M. like operating system
for 8 bit and 16 bit Intel based personal computers).
 
          Why is TALKING so inexpensive?
 
     The reason for TALKING's relatively low cost results from
the fact that, INFORMATION INK, LTD. has adapted the philosophy
of the FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION.
     This philosophy simply states that any financial gain gotten
from software, can only be gotten for user support of that
software (software alone forms the basis of an incomplete
solution); hence, anyone interested in making money from
any of INFORMATION INK, LTD's software, can do so  provided they
only charge for user support.
 
               History Behind TALKING
 
     In 1983 I received my first personal computer, a Radio Shack
Pocket Computer 2 modified with 24 kilobytes of RAM and 16 kilo-
bytes of ROM (RAM - Random Access Memory, ROM - Read Only
Memory) and using a Mini 9 cassette recorder. This first
preliminary version was called MICI (Morse code Information
Conversion Interface). This program slowly evolved into the SPEAK
program that ran on the DEC-100 C.P.M. based personal desk-size
computer using 8 inch flexible disks and a VOTREX speech
synthesizer built from the VOTREX speech kit (this was in 1984).
This version of the speech program (this was late in 1984) than
evolved into TALKING version 1.0.0 and ran on a Kaypro 4 (a
computer equipped with two 1200 r.p.m. 5.25 inch mini-floppy
drives and one 10 megabyte fixed drive and also equipped with a
6 megahertz Z80 microprocessor) using the CONIX operating
system (a Z80 based version of UNIX). Finally, TALKING evolved
into TALKING version 1.2.2.
     This ultimate version has incorporated technology that was
developed to allow TALKING to function in a user programmable
mode via a shell scripting language and also function in an
E.B.T - T.B.T mode (Electronic Book Technology - Talking Book
Technology). Moreover, this refinement allows TALKING to
additionally speak in more than 200 different languages (this is
done with the aid of TOPOV - Textual Oriented Phonetic Output of
Voice) and comes in both a SLATTACH-able version and a non-
SLATTACH-able version.
 
     For computer systems and operating systems other than
Digital Research Multi-User DOS, Coherent O.S., V MOS, MINOS, and
Berkeley UNIX, there exists a porting fee. For more information
about the porting fee, or, technology training seminars
call (718)278-8191.
 
                         For more information,
                         write to:
 
                         INFORMATION INK, LTD.
                         2542 49 Street
                         Long Island City, N.Y. 11103
 
                         PHONE: (718)278-8191
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:04:47 -0700
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Steve Cisler 
Subject:      Apple Library's Network Citizen Awards for 1992
 
        For further information call:
        Steve Cisler, Apple Library
        408 974 3258
        Internet: sac@apple.com
        September 8, 1992
 
Apple Library presents awards to Network Citizens
 
Apple Library of Apple Computer, Inc. is presenting awards to four librarians
who have demonstrated the initiative and spirit of sharing through their
efforts at electronic publishing on BITNET and the Internet.
 
As the Internet continues its rapid growth, many librarians have begun
exploring the information resources and forming communities of interest for
colleagues and other people on the network. Certain individuals have gone
beyond the casual sharing of ideas and information via electronic mail. They
have spent many hours, weeks, and months organizing the raw materials,
moderating mailing lists, and turning out useful network resources without any
financial gain.
 
To recognize their efforts Apple Library has chosen the designation of Network
Citizen for four librarians who have made significant contributions to the good
of the network by their efforts.  The four people chosen for 1992 are:
 
Diane K. Kovacs, Kent State University, for the work she has done as compiler
of the Directory of Scholarly E-Conferences and as a LISTOWNER and Co-Editor of
LIBRES, LIBREF-L,  Arachnet, and GovDoc-L. Her sources are cited by many users
outside of the library profession.
 
Charles W. Bailey,Jr., University of Houston, for the work he has done since
1989 in starting and promoting the PACS-L list, The Public-Access Computer
Systems News and The Public-Access Computer Systems Review (PACS Review). By
making use of the available tools and resources on BITNET and enlisting the
volunteer efforts of other scholars and librarians he has helped enrich the
computing and information environment for thousands of information
professionals around the world. Until he started PACS-L the efforts in
electronic communications between librarians were fragmented and without much
impact.  Both the list and journal have inspired other librarians to publish
other works and organize other discussion groups on the network.
 
David Robison and Roy Tennant, University of California Berkeley, for the work
they have done in assembling Current Cites, an electronic periodical that has
provided terse, relevant abstracts of interesting articles that have appeared
in both print and electronic formats. By providing this at no cost to the
network user, they have enriched both the community and have saved time and
energy for overloaded researchers and librarians who are trying to keep up with
the latest developments. David is the editor of the journal and Roy is the
coordinator of the Library Technology Watch Group which contributes to the
publication and whose other members include: Mark Takaro, Teri Rinne, Vivienne
Roumani, and Lisa Rowlison.
 
Each Network Citizen will receive a certificate of appreciation, a PowerBook
145, Claris Works software, and a carrying case. Apple Library is proud to
support the efforts of these and other librarians who effectively mix the
devotion to service with achievements using advanced technology.
--
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:58:05 EDT
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              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Joseph Raben 
Subject:      Re: Apple Library's Network Citizen Awards for 1992
In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:04:47 -0700 from 
 
It's very nice that you are publicizing the public-service activities of
the four librarians, but why not give either their userid's or listserv
addresses so that we can subscribe to their lists?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:22:00 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" 
Subject:      Re: Apple Library's Network Citizen Awards for 1992
 
It's very pleasing to see Apple putting concrete support into network
activities that from its standpoint must be at a relatively low level.  Such
awards speak well for the recipients, all of whom on this round are very
worthy indeed, and for Apple as well.
 
--Peter Graham, Rutgers University
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:37:38 PDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         David Robison 
Subject:      Re: Apple Library's Network Citizen Awards for 1992
 
******************
It's very nice that you are publicizing the public-service activities of
the four librarians, but why not give either their userid's or listserv
addresses so that we can subscribe to their lists?
******************
 
Current Cites is available by sending e-mail to me requesting
a subscription.
 
Thanks for your interest,
 
David F.W. Robison                   Internet: drobison@library.berkeley.edu
Editor, Current Cites                  Bitnet: drobison@ucblibra
Library Technology Watch Program        Voice: (510)642-7600
UC Berkeley Library                       Fax: (510)643-7891
Berkeley, CA 94720
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:07:11 PDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         David Robison 
Subject:      Information on e-conferences from other Apple award recipients
 
Here is the subscription information for the e-conferences founded/
moderated/owned by the other recipients of the Apple award:
 
LIBRES@KENTVM.bitnet	Library and information science research
LIBREF-L@KENTVM.bitnet  Library Reference issues
ARACNET@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA	See below
GOVDOC-L@PSUVM.bitnet	Government Documents
PACS-L@UHUPVM1.bitnet	Public Access Computer Systems
 
To subscribe to these lists (with the exception of ARACNET),
send a message to LISTSERV@node.bitnet with no subject and the
message:
 
SUB listname your_firstname your_lastname
 
David Robison
 
***************ARACHNET*****************
ARACHNET@acadvm1.uottawa.CA
        [Last Updated 12-October-1991]
   A Loose Association of Electronic Discussion Groups and Electronic
   Journals of Interest to Scholars.
 
   There are more than 600 discussion groups, newsletters, digests and
   electronic journals devoted to topics of scholarly interest.  As more
   scholars come on-line, the size of these groups, the diversity of
   material they have to offer, and their total number are all bound to
   increase.  These groups could benefit from a loose confederation that
   would allow them to share resources easily without imposing any kind
   of restrictions on their manner of operation.  Arachnet is such a
   confederation.
 
   Arachnet is a ListServ list, Arachnet@Uottawa.BITNET or ARACHNET@ACADVM1.
   Uottawa.CA if you are on the Internet.  All editors of
   discussion groups, newsletters, digests and electronic journals are
   invited to be members.  On its file-server, Arachnet will contain a
   current list of its member groups, descriptions of each group, and
   lists of files they hold.  As well as the current Directory of E-mail
   Based Conferences and Electronic Journals.  Arachnet's fileserver
   will also hold various information files pertaining to the creation
   of e-serials.
 
   The conversational component will be a means by which editors of new
   groups can receive help from their colleagues on questions of
   editorial policy and the social/ethical aspects of electronic
   conferencing.  Arachnet is not intended to replace Lstown-L@INDYCMS
   which is a discussion list for listowners to discuss technical
   aspects of Listserv based discussion group management.
 
   Arachnet will be an unedited list but will accept postings only from
   Arachnet subscribers.  If you are an editor or owner of an existing
   or future e-mail based forum, you are cordially invited to join.
 
   Please fill out the attached e-form and return it to one of the
   Editors listed below.  Please follow the format below as closely as
   possible.
 
   Owners:
      Michael Strangelove                   Diane Kovacs
      Editor Contex-L                       Editor LIBRES,Libref-L,Govdoc-L
      441495@Uottawa                        dkovacs@kentvm
      441495@acadvm1.uottawa.CA             dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu
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                   Please fill in and mail to the editor
             (Please simply type over what is in parentheses)
 
   *Lastname, Firstname  
 
   *Address: (institutional and, if you wish, domestic, with
   telephone numbers).
 
   *Brief description of your ListServ and electronic discussion group
   activities, including the name and purpose of all lists which you have
   served in any editorial or organizational capacity.  Also please note
   familiarity with any other BBS software (excluding ListServ, a knowledge
   of which is assumed here), regardless of the platform on which it runs.
   (100-500 words).
 
   *List of files/Resources available from your List's Fileserver or FTP site:
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:02:55 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Howard Pasternack 
Subject:      Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
I've been working with our serials department on setting up procedures
for handling several electronic journals, and one of the comments made
by the serials staff is that processing e-journals is considerably
more labor intensive than processing traditional print publications.
The journals in question are currently distributed as Bitnet text files
via a listserv.  Transferring the text from the e-mail subscription
account to a fileserver or cwis is currently far from elegant.
 
My question is really not about the specifics of the situation.  But I
am curious about how people see electronic journals being distributed
in the future to institutional subscribers.  What types of mechanisms
need to be developed to handle these materials efficiently. Or do we
even see the need for local distribution and are we really envisioning
dialing in to a central commercial site.
 
Howard Pasternack
Brown University
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:14:23 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Stevan Harnad 
Subject:      Library Archiving and Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
> Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:02:55 EDT
> From: Howard Pasternack 
>
> I've been working with our serials department on setting up procedures
> for handling several electronic journals, and one of the comments made
> by the serials staff is that processing e-journals is considerably
> more labor intensive than processing traditional print publications.
> The journals in question are currently distributed as Bitnet text files
> via a listserv.  Transferring the text from the e-mail subscription
> account to a fileserver or cwis is currently far from elegant.
 
There is no reason why automatic archiving to a local fileserver should
be a problem at all. What you will need is to write some one-time
software for automatically transferring all files to the local server,
either from the subscription mailings themselves or from the remote
archive. (This wheel has probably been independently invented several
times in the last year. Write me and I will send you a file of other
libraries doing the same thing.) In addition, you need software for
making it available to all your users in an easy friendly way. (I
recommend a Usenet-like interface, but there are probably other local
solutions here too.)
 
> My question is really not about the specifics of the situation.  But I
> am curious about how people see electronic journals being distributed
> in the future to institutional subscribers.  What types of mechanisms
> need to be developed to handle these materials efficiently. Or do we
> even see the need for local distribution and are we really envisioning
> dialing in to a central commercial site.
 
For the time being, friendly local availability, through something like
the terminals that allow you to search the library holdings, is probably
the best way to speed the development of the new medium. Eventually,
some form of shared distributed archiving will probably evolve.
 
Stevan Harnad
Ed., PSYCOLOQUY
 
Department of Psychology      Cognition et Mouvement URA CNRS 1166
Princeton University          Universite d'Aix Marseille II
Princeton NJ 08544            13388 Marseille cedex 13, France
harnad@princeton.edu
609-921-7771
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:54:30 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Comments:     Resent-From: James Powell 
Comments:     Originally-From: Howard Pasternack 
From:         James Powell 
Subject:      Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
One alternative is for publishers to make electronic journals searchable via
WAIS.  Libraries retrieve a WAIS source file which tell the WAIS client where
the data and indexes for a journal reside.  No further effort is required to
"receive" an issue since you are actually searching a remote database that
should be reindexed as new issues are added.  Of course, you really cannot
browse issues, nor is it obvious that a new issue has been added.  This is not
always acceptable.  We are facing a situation similar to yours - we will soon
be posting daily issues of an electronic newsletter on a gopher system.  I
am not sure what we are going to do with it.  We have installed some sample
issues as both a WAIS source and a collection of menu selections.  What we
will probably do is make new issues available for searching with WAIS daily,
(stick them in the appropriate directory and reindex) and actually add them to
the browsing menu once a week or something.  Both activities would be as
automatic as possible, using C shell scripts in crontab.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
My question is really not about the specifics of the situation.  But I
am curious about how people see electronic journals being distributed
in the future to institutional subscribers.  What types of mechanisms
need to be developed to handle these materials efficiently. Or do we
even see the need for local distribution and are we really envisioning
dialing in to a central commercial site.
 
Howard Pasternack
Brown University
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:53:12 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Editors of PMC 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:02:55 EDT from 
 
In response to Howard Pasternack's question about future distribution methods
for e-journals, specifically re: institutional subscriptions, one possible
scenario is that there won't *be* institutional subscriptions.  Here's how
it goes:
 
An internet-accessible electronic journal doesn't need to be centrally held,
nor does it need to be locally archived in a number of different sites.  As
long as it is actively publishing, it can be accessed directly by the user,
though libraries may provide that user with the tools and the knowledge that
make access possible.  Once the journal is *not* being published any longer,
of course, archived copies need to exist, and probably should exist in more
than one place--in other words, we do still need for there to be someone(s)
who will take responsibility for archiving, and these may be the same people
(librarians) who provide access to e-journals, but where actively publishing
journals are concerned, librarians may not be providing access to archived
copies.  And where one is concerned with e-journals no longer publishing,
the same mechanisms that once accessed the journal's active files may be
used to access a distributed collection of defunct journals--interlibrary
loan, in effect.
 
What will those mechanisms be?  Maybe something like WAIS, operated via
an interface between library catalogue systems and WAIS clients--that's my
guess, at any rate.
 
By the way: an interesting sidelight of this scenario:  What will the effect
on academic journals be, when item-use rather than standing library orders
makes up the bulk of the journal's income?  When we can tell exactly how
many copies of each essay have been ordered (and by whom), we will have
a much more directly market-driven system of scholarly publishing (regardless
of whether the journal itself is free, by the way).  What do we think the
results will be?  Will item-use information replace, or supplement, citation
information in tenure decisions?  Will use figures determine the fate of a
particular journal, author, or work?  By the way, the apocalyptic overtones
of these questions is not intended:  it arises out of the assumption that
no equivalent forces are currently at work in scholarly publishing...
 
John Unsworth
Co-Editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:29:56 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Paul Gherman 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:53:12 EDT from 
 
John Unsworth's comments about archiving e-journals is a real issue which
the library profession needs to address. I suggest that their be federal
legislation, that requires publishers to deposit their archives of journals
they no-longer find are economically viable with the National Data Arhcives
a federal agency, which will maintain back-files of e-publications. A logical
agency for this responsibility could be the Library of Congress. Now all
publishers are required to send one copy of each publication to LC. The NDA
would support the server on the net, although possibly without all the bell
and whistles that I am sure will be developed to make e-publications
attractive and user friendly.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:40:30 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Stevan Harnad 
Subject:      Public Electronic Data Archive (248 lines)
 
The complement to electronic scientific journals is electronic
archiving of data. Below are three commentaries on John Skoyles's
target article on this topic, which appeared in PSYCOLOQUY in May.
Further commentary is invited. Submissions should conform to the
format of the commentaries below (instructions: lines 210 - 248).
_________________________________________________________________
 
   P Graham: PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF ELECTRONICALLY ARCHIVED DATA
 
 M Gelobter: PUBLIC DATA-ARCHIVING: A FAIR RETURN ON PUBLICLY FUNDED RESEARCH
 
EM Jennings: ENDORSEMENT OF FTP INTERNET ARCHIVING OF DATA
 
	      Three commentaries on:
 
	      Skoyles, John R. (1992)  Ftp internet data archiving:
	      A cousin for PSYCOLOQUY. PSYCOLOQUY 3(29) data-archive.1
 
	      ABSTRACT OF SKOYLES'S ORIGINAL TARGET ARTICLE:
	      American Psychological Association (APA) journals do not
	      publish raw data, hence data are effectively
	      inaccessible. I propose that authors of research papers
	      should transfer their data to an Internet site so it can
	      be accessed over Internet by anonymous ftp. I suggest
	      that such data archiving would (1) make fraud easier to
	      detect, (2) encourage scientific criticism and (3) aid
	      the scientific process in general.  Nor should it be
	      difficult to implement.
 
              Retrievable from by anonymous ftp from
	      host: princeton.edu directory: pub/harnad
	      filename: psyc.92.3.29.data-archive.1.skoyles
 
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psycoloquy.92.3.55.data-archive.2.graham     Friday, September 11 1992
ISSN 1055-0143                   (4 paragraphs, 1 reference, 48 lines)
PSYCOLOQUY is sponsored by the American Psychological Association (APA)
		Copyright 1992 Peter Graham
 
        PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF ELECTRONICALLY ARCHIVED DATA
		Commentary on Skoyles on Data-Archiving
 
                Peter Graham
                Computing Services
                Rutgers University
                GRAHAM@zodiac.rutgers.edu
                (908) 932-2741
 
0.0 KEYWORDS: Data archiving, data security, data integrity, electronic
retrieval, ftp, internet, fraud
 
1.1  John Skoyles's (1992) recent proposal that psychological raw data
be maintained on file servers as data archives is a good one and a
bellwether for future use and provision of data. I wish to comment only
on one aspect, that of data security. The question of maintaining the
integrity of the archived data is nontrivial. Very briefly: the data
must be protected against modification by accident or intent, whether
by its owner or by other users.
 
1.2  Owner: The potential for modification after the fact must be
eliminated so that the research community can have confidence in the
archiving process. The malleability of electronic data is such that
special precautions are needed that would not be necessary in an
environment where only print data was involved. It is not that we
expect data modification to take place; but confidence in the system
will require that users be assured that it cannot take place.
 
1.3  Others: Accidental modification or destruction is a familiar
possibility to all of us. Using the data files as primary source data
must not be allowed; only copies. Well organized backups will be
essential. Fraudulent modification must be protected against for
reasons similar to those given above.
 
1.4  What I want to emphasize is not so much that there are immediate
and complete solutions. There aren't (are we should proceed anyway):
But proposals of the kind Skoyles is making must from the beginning
take the security and integrity issues into account. If the research
record is to be maintained, we must, as we see more and more such
proposals, continue to ask that they give sufficient thought to
preserving the data intact and protecting it from modification.
 
REFERENCES
 
Skoyles, John R. (1992) Ftp internet data archiving: A cousin for PSYCOLOQUY
PSYCOLOQUY 3(29) data-archive.1
 
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psycoloquy.92.3.55.data-archive.3.gelobter   Friday, September 11 1992
ISSN 1055-0143                   (5 paragraphs, 1 reference, 52 lines)
PSYCOLOQUY is sponsored by the American Psychological Association (APA)
		Copyright 1992 Michel Gelobter
 
        PUBLIC DATA-ARCHIVING: A FAIR RETURN ON PUBLICLY FUNDED RESEARCH
		Commentary on Skoyles on Data-Archiving
 
                Michel Gelobter
                School of International and Public Affairs
                Columbia University
                New York, NY  10021
                mg78@cunixf.columbia.edu or
                gelobter@garnet.berkeley.edu
 
0.0 KEYWORDS: data archiving, deception, electronic retrieval, error
detection, ftp, fraud, meta-analysis, statistics, public domain, public
property, federal funding.
 
1.1  Skoyles's (1992) idea is excellent. I have often considered it
myself, albeit for different reasons (outlined below). Some form of the
process Skoyles recommends should be adopted almost universally,
throughout the research world. (As Hypertext and Multimedia computers
become a reality, qualitative research disciplines could adopt similar
procedures. The Humanities already distribute CDs with every possible
version of classical texts and commentaries cross-indexed.)
 
1.2  Having worked for United States Congressman John Dingell myself, I
know that a primary concern has been that data, often gathered at the
expense of the public through public research funding, can be:
 
   (a) fraudulently gathered and analyzed (representing, when not
   detected, an unaccountable waste of our money), and
 
   (b) used by private parties for great profit in developing patented
   rights to drugs, and now, genetic material.
 
1.3  The former concern is mostly addressed by Skoyles's proposal, but
he fails to take on the latter thorny issue of data ownership
directly. The Federal Government could adopt guidelines for the status
of data aquired through direct or indirect government subsidy. These
guidelines could be as legally binding as the requirements imposed on
institutions receiving federal library assistance. They would specify
the format and availability of all data gathered at taxpayer expense.
 
1.4  This proposal would revolutionize the research "business" by
putting cutting edge results in the public domain, for public use. The
problem is that it might remove that wonderful private sector incentive
for research that we academicians so deny as motivation for our work:
greed.
 
1.5  I believe that the research our taxes pay for should not be used
to line the pockets of private entrepreneurs. The profit from
developing and using publicly funded research can still be guaranteed
through licensing, but the monopoly "rent" (to use economic
terminology) derived from the control of data and results must be
returned to the public domain. Skoyles's proposal goes a long way
towards doing this.
 
REFERENCES
 
Skoyles, John R. (1992) Public Electronic Archiving and Retrieval of Raw
Scientific Data. PSYCOLOQUY 3(29) data-archive.1
 
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psycoloquy.92.3.56.data-archive.4.jennings   Friday, September 11 1992
ISSN 1055-0143                   (5 paragraphs, 1 reference, 55 lines)
PSYCOLOQUY is sponsored by the American Psychological Association (APA)
		Copyright 1992 Edward M Jennings
 
                ENDORSEMENT OF FTP INTERNET ARCHIVING OF DATA
		Commentary on Skoyles on Data-Archiving
 
                Edward M. Jennings
                Editor, EJournal
                Department of English,
                University at Albany, SUNY
                Albany, NY 12222
                EJournal@Albany.bitnet
                EMJ69@ALBNYVMS.BitNet
 
1.1  I endorse the archiving of raw data proposed by John R. Skoyles
(1992).
 
1.2  I don't read specialized journals in scientific fields. My
discipline(s) concentrate on drawing conclusions about written texts,
not on interpreting samples or measurements or controlled processes.
Perhaps it is because our texts are universally available that I used to
assume that the material scientists interpret was also widely
accessible.
 
1.3  I was surprised to learn how naive I was. It happened at a
conference of embryonic electronic journals. One proposal was for an
extremely rigorously refereed electronic journal in a clinical field. I
don't recall the exact question, but the reply was something like, "Of
course we won't transmit the raw data." Pressed, the publisher (or
another participant) pointed out to the naifs in the room that
clinicians spend years amassing data and don't want to hand their
life's work to someone else who could then "just do an analysis" and
get publication credit without doing all the work. The explanation
helped me understand those motives for secrecy, but I was still
disappointed.
 
1.4  It seemed to me then, as it does now, that the better scientists
would not want to keep their data secret. Secrecy smacks of patents, of
profits, of trying to own ideas. I have always imagined that "real"
science involved sharing what one had learned or couldn't figure out. I
still believe that one vector in the "origin" of modern science was the
novel ability to share the (comparable) data one had gathered.
 
1.5  So I am delighted to hear Skoyles's proposal for data archiving. I
hope that it can be implemented, that it will be greeted warmly, and
that people who don't want their data archived will find it
increasingly difficult to get their interpretations published.
 
REFERENCES
 
Skoyles, John R. (1992) Public Electronic Archiving and Retrieval of Raw
Scientific Data. PSYCOLOQUY 3(29) data-archive.1
 
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:56:02 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         csnowden@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      handling ejournals/ institutionally
 
>My question is really not about the specifics of the situation.  But I
>am curious about how people see electronic journals being distributed
>in the future to institutional subscribers.  What types of mechanisms
>need to be developed to handle these materials efficiently. Or do we
>even see the need for local distribution and are we really envisioning
>dialing in to a central commercial site.
 
>Howard Pasternack
>Brown University
 
We've been dealing with the problems of institutional ejournal processing and
distribution here at MIT, too. For now, we're developing table-driven scripts
to deal with the mechanics of checking in ejournals/, stripping mail headers,
naming files, putting them in the right places and indexing those files. This
approach looks like it will probably work ok for a while, but it's becoming
increasingly obvious to me that some sort of standards will have to be
developed so that incoming ejournal articles can be uniformly parsed for
relevant pieces of information (journal title, issn, author, title, associated
graphics, etc). This seems important regardless of whether an ejournal
resides on the local file system or on a server somewhere else and regardless
of whether the "user" is an institution or an individual.
 
As for a distribution system, we're presently experimenting with WAIS.
We're interested in WAIS not only because of its functionality, but because
we (actually, I suppose I should say I, since I'm speaking for myself here)
think it represents a first step in the direction that ejournals/ - and
networked information in general - are likely to go. I'd be glad to discuss
our present experimental setup with anyone who's interested and would be
interested to hear about other efforts as well.
 
Carter Snowden
MIT Libraries Systems Office
csnowden@athena.mit.edu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:59:12 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Editors of PMC 
Subject:      Re: handling ejournals/ institutionally
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sat,
              12 Sep 1992 10:56:02 EDT from 
 
Carter Snowden points out that some uniform standards will have to be
developed so that ejournals/ can be parsed for relevant pieces of information.
I'd suggest that SGML will provide much of what he's asking for--a standard way
of indicating titles, keywords, associated graphics or other non-text objects,
etc..  Other kinds of formatting issues (page numbers vs. paragraph numbers,
for example) will not be resolved by the markup system, but these may not
matter as much from the point of view of the people trying to provide access
to the journals.
 
John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:42:26 CDT
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              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Brett G. Person" 
Subject:      RE: Very interesting software f/t visually handicapped.....
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:07:00 EDT from 
 
I read the post about this on l-hcap and consider it to be a joke.
as someone who has written screen readers and file readers for the
blind, I see nothing in the opost that makes the program look real.
 
E-mail me for speciffics
 
 
-Brett
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:48:23 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Ann Okerson 
Subject:      Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  <9209111506.AA10566@a.cni.org>; from "James Powell" at Sep 11,
              92 10:54 am
 
A speculation about how libraries might handle e-journal (newsletter,list)
subscriptions for their patrons led me to review my own personal
progression in this area.  Originally, I regarded e-subscriptions --
in fact, e-communication of any sort -- as a wonder, a fleeting impulse
that I had to personally capture not only on my screen but transfer over
to my machine so I could either store the various folders on diskettes,
or even more likely, print them out.  Having achieved the pinnacle of
print, I'd then erase the logged mail & might eventually erase the
diskette while filing the paper in binders.
 
Things changed (all this inside two years, mind you).  More journals and
lists appeared, and to download and print became bothersome.  The speed and
capacity of our e-mail system increased, as did the ease of using a much
improved mailer.  Dazzled by our own enriched e-capabilities, I subscribed
to a few more and began to log all the messages from my subscriptions to
separate folders in my e-account.  Printing was clearly no longer practical
but like a good serials librarian, I continued to build in the security of
backfiles, only now they were electronic.  My mail logs got very fat, and
it became almost as hard to find things in them as it had been in the
paper.
 
Time for a quick re-assessment.  I knew, because I access them a fair bit,
that the good lists and journals, have online archives maintained by the
home machine, possibly by others as well.  Many of these archives can easily
be searched online and if not, I realized I had been bringing them tempo-
rarily into my machine to run with "find" commands.  Having Eureka-ed, I'd
take what I needed and leave the files on their home machine.  If imported
into mine, I trashed them.  At a recent e-publishing meeting held by
ARL and AMS, Dennis Egan (Bellcore) told us that "Moby Dick is a megabyte"
and Jim O'Donnell (Penn) suggested that the day was around the corner when
we would import Moby Dick to our local systems, read a chapter, delete it,
and bring it back when we were ready to read the chapter after that, and
so on.
 
With due respect for O'Donnell, an elegant thinker and eloquent speaker,
and his remarks of April 1992, my epiphany of this summer was that many of
us already do exactly what he predicted, with much of our electronically
accessed material.  We let only the most vital things hang around even in
our machines, and far less on paper.
 
A number of things have changed in a short while:  capacity, equipment,
mailers, sophistication of the various parties involved in e-journal
creation -- AND there is the beginning of a comfort level and familiarity
with e-publications on the part of libraries and individual readers.
 
Given this individual experience, which my colleagues tell me resembles
theirs a great deal, it would be hard not to generalize to the institutional
setting and say that:  we don't need and won't have the journals at every
site; we do need and will have them at enough sites (sort of like depository
libraries for government publications) in case the Creator's Site suffers
the electronic equivalent of a Library of Congress fire AND possibly for
"load-balancing" reasons.
 
Good service won't be defined by having them in the local computer, but from
the access and searching enhancements that the library or publisher or
computer service or commercial distributor can provide, not to that one
title (necessarily) but to the ideas it contains and to ideas that relate
to it in other e-publications.  Working out local transfer and storage
mechanisms, then, is useful practice in the current neophyte e-publication
world.  But it *pales* in comparison to the service directions to which
librarians and other service providers should be channelling the bulk
of their energy and imagination.
 
Ann Okerson/Association of Research Libraries
ann@cni.org
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:29:19 EST
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:02:37 EST
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         James O'Donnell 
Subject:      Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  note of Sun,
              13 Sep 1992 20:48:23 EDT from Ann Okerson 
 
In 1957, a newspaper reporter asked me, a child, if I thought men would ever
get to the moon. I said I thought they would by the year 2000. This got me
quoted, with an indulgent laugh. I am happy to see that my talent for grossly
overestimating how long it will take to get to the future is still with us,
and that my April 1992 prediction about throwaway e-versions has already come
true! But I think something else is probably happening behind Ann's reported
practice:
  I'll bet she is like me and is saving oodles of stuff on disk, storing up
mail logs or folders or whatever, and then never going back and looking at it.
Scholars have already invented this way of dealing with journal articles: see
something you like, Xerox it, stick it in a file drawer, and then forget you
have it. I photocopied an article the other day and then driving home began to
wonder to myself if I hadn't perahps already got a Xerox of that from about
two years ago. Two days later, I haven't checked and I haven't read more than
two pages of the forty I copied. Our e-lives will get more and more like that.
 
And so gatekeeping and filtering and finding what I want and what I want *now*
is going to be the tricky skill, the one I will cherish and even pay money
for.
  I don't want you, the librarian, to *have* material I want in a back room
somewhere, I just want you to know where I can get it *now*. You'll probably
be pretty good at this, if you're like most librarians I know!
 
Jim O'Donnell
Classics, U. of Penn
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:46:32 CDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Brett G. Person" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sun,
              13 Sep 1992 22:02:37 EST from 
 
More and more I find myself using the network services like gopher and archie.
I don't have the disk space to permanently keep anything around.  If it was on
paper, I'd throw it out too because of space considerations in my filing system
 
What is needed is a simple way for non-computer people to get at the informatio
n they need.  Maybe a kind of smart search program.  Something that would
go look for articles on a given subject on a periodic basis.
Electronic journals are fine, but they need to have an orderof semblance about
them.  The destribution method is an after-thought.  I'd rather have something
that could cull articles from a central location rather than getting the whole
journal when I'm only interested in one article.
 
-Brett
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:23:41 CDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Jim Nelson 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  <199209140401.AA20977@plains.NoDak.edu>; from "Brett G. Person"
              at
 
> What is needed is a simple way for non-computer people to get at the informati
> n they need.  Maybe a kind of smart search program.  Something that would
> go look for articles on a given subject on a periodic basis.
> Electronic journals are fine, but they need to have an orderof semblance about
> them.  The destribution method is an after-thought.  I'd rather have something
> that could cull articles from a central location rather than getting the whole
> journal when I'm only interested in one article.
 
Isn't there already something like this in places?  Several years ago, when
I used to use GEnie, they had a news retrieval sevice that would only get
articles on certain subjects or containing certain keywords.  I don't know
if they still do this, but wouldn't it be possible if there was some was
some central archive?
 
--
Jim, in the Land of the Lost.            |Disclaimer:  I disclaim nothing.
ObQuote: Do Not Meddle in the Affairs of |   However, I claim nothing.
          Wizards, For You are Crunchy,  |
          and Good with Ketchup.         |  Blessed Be!
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:26:35 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         UUNET_UULINK_SPOCK_SUNY_LIC_EDU 
Subject:      RE: Has anyone every tried out the CASEB electronic data arch.
              sys.?
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hi!
 
        Has anyone on this list ever tried using the CASEB electronic archival
and retrieval system for E-Journals ?
 
        If so, how is the program?
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:53:03 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Gerald=Ruderman%HQ%Rational@Vines1.ratsys.com
Subject:      re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In reply to: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:03:55 EDT
From: James O'Donnell 
 
>Scholars have already invented this way of dealing with journal articles: see
>something you like, Xerox it, stick it in a file drawer, and then forget you
>have it. I photocopied an article the other day and then driving home began to
>wonder to myself if I hadn't perahps already got a Xerox of that from about
>two years ago. Two days later, I haven't checked and I haven't read more than
>two pages of the forty I copied. Our e-lives will get more and more like that.
 
I think this has more to do with a feeling of power from having the knowledge,
more than the need to have the information handy. (I suffer this too.)
Something akin to the cave paintings of early people: They drew the animals
they hunted as a way of having power over the animals.
 
Gerald Ruderman (geraldr@ratsys.com)
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:53:22 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
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From:         Paul Gherman 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:48:23 EDT from 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 Ann's point is well taken about how her behavior has changed and she no longer
 attempts to archive what she has read. I do think that the day will come when
 we will have WORM drives connected to our workstations as well as software
 which will allow us to index and make notes to those articles, chapters, etc.
 that are of importance to us. This does not obviate our responsibility to
 give considerable thought to how we will build the safe and secure archive
 of electronic publcations. Today's libraries rely on significant redundancy
 to assure themselves of the secure archive. However I supect that occasionally
 there are instances when the last copy is lost, discarded or distroyed, and
 no one knows. How we build a secure archive on a national or international
 level is of great concern and an issue we must all address, and we cannot
 leave it to chance or unplanned redundancy. Especially, the issue of the
 for-profit publishers must be addressed, since once a publication is no longer
 profitable, the need to erase the file will compelling.
 
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:26:32 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 
From: Peter Graham, Rutgers Univ.
 
Paul Gherman in this thread notes that "occasionally
 there are instances when the last copy is lost, discarded or distroyed, and
 no one knows" which defeats the redundancy built into libraries.  Keep in mind
that even research libraries collect mainly the published works. much of what
we are now seeing on the net is comparable to the "grey literature" of the
scholarly world up until now, and these materials -- fugitive, uncataloged,
tentative -- have in the past ended up in libraries' Special Collections (aka
rare books dept.) if anywhere.
 
The analogy holds for libraries in the electronic era, I suspect; some
"published" works will be held in ready availability for users, with redundant
access points, while others will be in archive-like collections which will
require effort by the potential user to locate.
 
Nothing profound here; just a note that it's worth distinguishing between
types of materials and their use.
 
--pg
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:27:06 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Michael Friedman 
Subject:      NCL's conference on National Libraries-Towards the 21st Century
In-Reply-To:  Chia-ning Chiang's message of Mon,
              14 Sep 1992 09:29:19 EST
              <9209140142.AA25438@gatekeeper.oracle.com>
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Unfortunately, this fax number doesn't seem to work.  Does anyone know
if there is another number?
 
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 Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:29:19 EST
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 Access" 
 Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,              and
 Access" 
 From: Chia-ning Chiang 
 
 POSTED TO LISTERVS, WITH APOLOGIES FOR DUPLICATE POSTINGS.
 
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 FOUNDING OF THE NATIONAL CENTRAL LIBRARY IN APRIL OF 1933.  THE FOCUS
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 AND TO PLAN FOR THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF NATIONAL LIBRARIES INTO THE
 21ST CENTURY.  CENTRAL TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE AN EMPHASIS ON
 GREATER USE OF LIBRARY RESOURCES AND AUTOMATION.  MOREOVER, AN EQUALLY
 IMPORTANT THEME OF THE CONFERENCE IS TO EXPAND COOPERATION AND EXCHANGE
 BETWEEN NATIONAL LIBRARIES.
 
     WE CORDIALLY INVITE THE DIRECTORS OF NATIONAL LIBRARIES AND SCHOLARS
 WITH RESEARCH INTERESTS IN THE AREA OF NATIONAL LIBRARIES TO ATTEND.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:27:48 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "A.J. Wright" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:53:22 EDT from 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In reading the recent messages about gobs of efiles piling up and how will
such survive, etc., a minor vision of the future poppped into my head. Some-
thing similar has occurred with early motion pictures, esp. from the silent
era. Nobody cared to preserve the stuff, so what has survived from that
era owes much to chance and a few packrats or lucky stashes around the world.
(As an aside, I remember reading in the last couple of years about a group of
silent films found somewhere in Alaska where the cold had preserved them for
decades; some of the titles were presumed lost.) Thousands of silent-era titles
are gone forever. Will this happen with all of the e-info we're creating now?
And fifty years or more in the future people will discover these files as
they clean out virtual basements, closets, attics, etc?
 
Well, that's the extent of my thinking for today...
 
A.J. Wright
Anesthesiology Library
University of Alabama at Birmingham
meds002@uabdpo
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:56:53 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 
From:  Peter Graham, Rutgers University
 
I support Ann Okerson's views on how e-journals (and other e-publications) will
be used:  from the/a source, not stored locally.  The implications are for
user-friendly access tools, standards of descriptions and access, safeguards
for preserving the information in its original form, and organized means of
collocating like materials.
 
Does any of this sound familiar?
 
--Peter Graham (Hint:  I'm a librarian)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:11:24 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Howard Pasternack 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 
>I support Ann Okerson's views on how e-journals (and other e-publications) will
>be used:  from the/a source, not stored locally.  The implications are for
>user-friendly access tools, standards of descriptions and access, safeguards
>for preserving the information in its original form, and organized means of
>collocating like materials.
>
>Does any of this sound familiar?
>
>--Peter Graham (Hint:  I'm a librarian)
 
 Yes.  It sounds a lot like the new service promised from Faxon.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:12:05 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Brett G. Person" 
Subject:      re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon,
              14 Sep 1992 09:53:03 EDT from
              
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
on 14 Sep 1992 09:53:03 EDT 
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>In reply to: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:03:55 EDT
>From: James O'Donnell 
>
>>Scholars have already invented this way of dealing with journal articles: see
>>something you like, Xerox it, stick it in a file drawer, and then forget you
>>have it. I photocopied an article the other day and then driving home began to
>>wonder to myself if I hadn't perahps already got a Xerox of that from about
>>two years ago. Two days later, I haven't checked and I haven't read more than
>>two pages of the forty I copied. Our e-lives will get more and more like that.
>
>I think this has more to do with a feeling of power from having the knowledge,
>more than the need to have the information handy. (I suffer this too.)
>Something akin to the cave paintings of early people: They drew the animals
>they hunted as a way of having power over the animals.
>
>Gerald Ruderman (geraldr@ratsys.com)
No, it's because we are all pack-rats.  We all beleive that what we do
is important enough to keep forever.  Even when we shouldn't be
bothering to look at the junk!  Most of the journals I read amount to
little more than junk mail most of the time anyway.  I still advocate
for a set of sites where people can pull just the articles they need and
junk the rest.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:12:28 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Brett G. Person" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:56:53 EDT from 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
For those of you who are bent towards reading acience fiction, check out
_Earth_ by David Brin. a large portion of the book deals with The Net as
a tool to access information, and as a hindrance to privacy.  A good read
that can make you think.   Brin seems to have solved most of the problems
we are discussing here.
.
 
-Brett
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:14:55 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "Brett G. Person" 
Subject:      re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon,
              14 Sep 1992 09:53:03 EDT from
              
 
---------------
>little more than junk mail most of the time anyway.  I still advocate
>for a set of sites where people can pull just the articles they need and
>junk the rest.
 
This is what we are trying to do at Va. Tech.  We have one location for our
locally published journals, and any others we agree to archive.  We then try*
to make them available several ways - all of which provide access to the
individual articles.  Articles may be FTP'd, or accessed via WAIS.  A search
in the WAIS directory-of-servers will return sources for each journal.  To
provide some semblance of bibliographic access to the journals, the WAIS
sources include card screens from our local OPAC.  We would like to provide
additional access with a gopher server.  Gopher would allow electronic
publishers to link their servers with others, which would provide menu driven
access to local and remote journals from a single menu.  Add WAIS sources for
each journal and you have browse and search capability from this single menu.
Information providers can then add a server designated as the home or root
server and access all the journals published within this distributed server
system.
____________________
* Indexing PostScript files with WAIS yields a pretty useless source.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:28:45 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "JUDITH HOPKINS AT SUNY BUFFALO" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am a packrat with both paper (as anyone who has ever seen my office can
testify) and electronically.   The natural result is that I have difficulty
remembering in what file (paper or electronic) I placed that "useful" item.
So I spend an inordinate amount of time trying to find it, or give up and
start from scratch in obtaining it again.    The problem with the latter
approach (which would also occur if I did not archive anything electronically
and had to re-retrieve items from the original source when I needed them)
is how do I remember where that useful item came from?  Often I came upon
it originally via the electronic equivalent of serendipitous browsing the
current periodical shelves, i.e., someone posted a notice of an interesting-
sounding item on some list, I retrieved it immediately from the instructions
which were at hand, and either tossed it or filed it.   If I toss it, how
do I remember where I got it when some need turns up six months later?
 
========================================================================
Judith Hopkins                            VOICE: (716) 645-2796
Technical Services Research and Analysis Officer
Central Technical Services                FAX:   (716) 645-5955
Lockwood Library Building
State University of New York at Buffalo   BITNET: ulcjh@ubvm (OR, ubvms)
Buffalo, NY  14260-2200              INTERNET: ulcjh@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:58:18 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Howard Pasternack 
Subject:      re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 
How useful is a WAIS server with heavily marked up text, such as a document
produced in SGML or TeX ?
 
And what will happen when documents are distributed which require proprietary
programs in order to interpret them ?
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Date:         Wed, 16 Sep 1992 08:53:43 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
From:         "(Edward Vielmetti)" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
MEDS002@UABDPO.BITNET ("A.J. Wright") writes:
: Will this happen with all of the e-info we're creating now?
: And fifty years or more in the future people will discover these files as
: they clean out virtual basements, closets, attics, etc?
 
There have been several attempts to keep a complete record of some
electronic traffic.  All of usenet news was put onto tape for a while, and
then as traffic grew the archiving got more selective.  (This is in
conjunction with individual efforts to archive individual groups.)
 
Right now you can call +1 800 643 NEWS or +1 402 291 2108 or write to
cdnews@sterling.com and subscribe to "NetNews/CD", a subscription service
that puts usenet news on cd rom (about one disk every two weeks).  They've
been publishing since the beginning of the year, and I'm hoping they'll
get the funding somehow to put other back files on cd-rom.
 
News on cd-rom does *not* address the question of access.  It's quite
clunky, relative to ftp'ing or rooting through my mailbox, to go in and
retrieve a particular article from a particular cd-rom.  However, it does
make a sizable improvement over mag tape, and since the individual disks
can be spun up and read directly as file systems the browsing isn't as bad
as it might be.  (They ship news readers that know how to read articles from
the spool in a sensible way).
 
My final class I needed to graduate from the U of Michigan was a writing
requirements class - kind of ironic that I failed similar courses a couple
of times, given how much I was typing in e-mail and conferences at the
time! - which was taught at the Bentley historical library.  The goal of
the course was to teach research on original historical materials, and for
my project I was assigned about 6 boxes of stuff from Henry Carter Adams,
a turn of the century railroad economist.  By stuff I mean *stuff* -
copies of letters that he sent, some small amount of published materials,
and largely what wasn't too much different from what you'd get if you
cleaned out his desk every so often and dumped it into a box.  Tracing
through this collection in search of what was really going on in railroad
safety gave a very different picture than any of the second- or third-hand
published accounts could give.
 
What could you do if you had all of the public discussion on the net -
with moderated, refereed, edited publications at the "top", moving down to
well behaved newsgroups and mail lists and finally descending into the
chaos of the "alt" net - all available on line for looking at?  Any of the
existing systems we have now for retrieval and browsing work really poorly
on collections measured in the tens of gigabytes of text.  If I want to
ask a research question like "trace the history of the ARL's thinking on
access and archives for electronic journals" so that I can explain to
CICnet how the project is or is not moving forward, that's going to be
hard to accomplish.  Probably means (if you were to do it right) spending
a few weeks searching LISTSERV and WAIS servers, asking for access to
archives (which may be long gone) of private mail lists, etc.  Not too
much different from rooting around in boxes of ephemera...
 
  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
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Date:         Wed, 16 Sep 1992 17:01:39 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         James Powell 
Subject:      FTP server downtime
 
The Scholarly Communications Project of Va. Tech FTP and WAIS archives will be
unavailable from 7:00PM until 12:00AM EST.  During this time I will be
upgrading the operating system.  Thank you.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Sep 1992 10:04:38 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Distribution is not the only goal to consider in the question regarding
future handling of e-journals (posed by Howard Pasternack, 9/11/92).  Preserva-
tion of the record is also a goal.  I'm sure that everyone make a print copy
of something they consider extremely important.  Think of libraries in Florida,
without electricity, and you must wonder how electronic based information
services and information resources survived the widespread destruction.  I
don't think it is wise to entrust a commercial enterprise with this responsi-
bility.  The company could go bankrupt.  It could decide to dump lowuse
files of articles in order to cut expenses and increase profits.  It could
fail to adequately protect the record for use in lawsuits, or historical
analysis, or critical review.  But Sanjay Chadha proposed a reasonable
approach about a year ago on PACS-L or Medlib -- electronic materials could
be stored by regional research libraries, state libraries, or specially
designated depositories supported by the region and the nation.
 
(I may have spelled Sanjay Chadha's name wrong. Best I could do on my memory.)
 
Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library at Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Sep 1992 11:10:56 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was VPIEJ-L@VTVM1
From:         Howard Pasternack 
Subject:      re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
------
How useful is a WAIS server with heavily marked up text, such as a document
produced in SGML or TeX ?
------
WAIS could be modified to index SGML and TeX while ignoring the tags.  Don't
know why it hasn't been done already.  The client would also have to be able
to strip out or intelligently interpret the tags in some way when you
requested the document, so that you didn't see the marked up "raw" file.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Sep 1992 11:20:48 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Here's a possible scenario of the future:  material archived ***voluntarilly***
by an individual with support from their institution's computers and
computer services, now searchable by WAIS, gopher,GEnie etc., is organized,
maintained, preserved, and managed by that individual according to the
individual's "way of doing things," time, convenience, and other individually
decided upon factors.  The individual  is fired or dies or decides to take
a sabbatical or has lless and less interest in managing this archive of
electronic materials.  No one wants to take the database of her hands.  She
puts a message out on the network that she is going to quit and asks if
anyone would like to take charge of the material.  No one does.  The material
is deleted.
        Or say the institution decides that each individual in a department
will be assessed at 1-2 hundred dollars for each account (Bitnet, Internet,
Telnet) and monthly fees based on usage as measured by bytes sent and
received and the amount of mainframe storage used.  The cost of maintaining
a listserv or a listserv archive or a e-pub archive cannot be paid by
the publisher herself nor is the institution willing to support storage and
telecommunications cost.  What happens to the mass of archived electronic
material everyone expected to be available "now" when they need it?  Everyone
has stopped printing or downloading the material to disk.  This material
will be lost to the historical record.
 
        Volunteers on the Internet are a weak solution to the need for
assured access to and availability of resources in an electronic form.
Dependence on commercial organizations whose purpose is not service or
the support of research but profit, cannot be trusted to handle electronic
resources.  Only those with a public mandate to preserve, protect, and
distribute information resources and who are therefore supported by the
public, can be expected to assume responsibility for resources in any format
which *may* be needed now or in the future.
 
Hannah King
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Sep 1992 11:22:42 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was VPIEJ-L@VTVM1
From:         KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
{previous paragraphs deleted}
        Volunteers on the Internet are a weak solution to the need for
assured access to and availability of resources in an electronic form.
Dependence on commercial organizations whose purpose is not service or
the support of research but profit, cannot be trusted to handle electronic
resources.  Only those with a public mandate to preserve, protect, and
distribute information resources and who are therefore supported by the
public, can be expected to assume responsibility for resources in any format
which *may* be needed now or in the future.
 
-------
Sounds like another good reason for University Libraries to get into the
electronic publishing business.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Sep 1992 08:12:09 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         "(Stu Weibel)" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Only those with a public mandate to preserve, protect, and
> distribute information resources and who are therefore supported by the
> public, can be expected to assume responsibility for resources in any format
> which *may* be needed now or in the future.
 
> -------
> Sounds like another good reason for University Libraries to get into the
> electronic publishing business.
 
 
On the contrary... When University budgets ride the roller coaster of
public funding, we know what happens to otherwise important line
items.  Subscriptions are cancelled, acquisitions are curtailed.
 
What will happen in a future budget crisis when a choice between access
to current materials and maintaining archives of older materials
compete for the same funds?  Most people would probably vote to sustain
current access.
 
Non-profit organizations such as OCLC and RLIN also have a "public
mandate to preserve, protect, and distribute information resources" and
probably can provide a more sustainable, formal archival access system
than any single university or group of universities.  Such institutions
are in the business of maintaining the integrity of public information
resources  - neither has, to my knowledge ever lost a record.
 
Whether these institutions are actually the best place to do such
things is subject to debate (I freely acknowledge my own self interest
in this argument), but the model of a non-profit organization that is
responsive in some direct way to a national or international user
community rather than a local university that responds first and
foremost to a state legislature seems a more reasonable model for the
future of electronic publishing.
 
Stuart Weibel
Senior Research Scientist
OCLC Office of Research
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Date:         Wed, 23 Sep 1992 15:30:59 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
Subject:      Organizations supporting e-publishing?
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am writing a brief article that will outline networked resources
for electronic publishers and editors and would like to include
references to organizations that provide some form of support or service
for electronic publishers.  One example is the American Association of
Research Libraries, which I believe is mandated in some way to promote
electronic publishing and therefore provides the not-for-profit
Directory of Electronic Journals, Newsletters and Academic Discussion
Lists.
 
Are there other organizations that should be listed as resources for
those interested in pursuing electronic, networked publishing?
 
 
Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa
 
         BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
         Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
         S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
         Voice:  (613) 747-0642
         FAX:    (613) 564-6641
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 08:13:52 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
Subject:      Archived editorial policies
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I would also like to document any FTP or Listserv archived editorial
policies of electonic journals or newsletters (but not list).
 
If your journal/newsletter maintains an archived editorial policy, please
let me know of its filename and location (if you do not mind it documented).
 
Thanks again,
 
Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa
 
         BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
         Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
         S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
         Voice:  (613) 747-0642
         FAX:    (613) 564-6641
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 09:59:48 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Fred Melssen 
Subject:      e-journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hi all,
 
I would like to know if someone knows about some sort of list of
electronic journals. I am especially interested in those that could
be of interest to anthropologists / sociologists.
From listserv (with list global ...) I only get a few names, so maybe
there are other ways to find out.
 
 
Fred Melssen
Centre for Pacific Studies     internet:  u211610@hnykun11.urc.kun.nl
Department of Anthropology       bitnet:  u211610@hnykun11
University of Nijmegen
The Netherlands
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 10:00:08 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Laine Ruus 
Subject:      Re: Archived editorial policies
In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu,
              24 Sep 1992 08:13:52 EDT from <441495@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Thu, 24 Sep 1992 08:13:52 EDT MICHAEL STRANGELOVE said:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>I would also like to document any FTP or Listserv archived editorial
>policies of electonic journals or newsletters (but not list).
 
Actually, if it hasn't been done, I think it is quite important
that the editorial policies and ESPECIALLY the logging, maintenance
and weeding policies (i.e. how long are log files kept, and what
happens to them after they have been 'retired', how are they
archived for the long term, and where?) of e-lists _should_ be
collected. This would be particularly relevant in light of the
many discussions over the years as to how one cites e-mail
messages from computer conferences, etc.
(And NO, I (a) am not volunteering to do it, nor (b) do I
wish to reopen the citation discussion.)
 
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Laine G.M. Ruus                      Bitnet : laine@utorvm
Data Library Service               Internet : laine@vm.utcs.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 11:43:09 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: e-journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 24 Sep 1992 09:59:48 EDT from 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Thu, 24 Sep 1992 09:59:48 EDT Fred Melssen said:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
>I would like to know if someone knows about some sort of list of
>electronic journals. I am especially interested in those that could
>be of interest to anthropologists / sociologists.
 
For Michael Strangelove's list, send email to LISTSERV@UOTTAWA
and put just the two lines
 
GET EJOURN1 DIRECTRY
GET EJOURN2 DIRECTRY
 
in the body and send.  The directory will be returned as mail.
 
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Elliott Parker                 BITNET: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM
Journalism Dept.               Internet: 3zlufur@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
Central Michigan University    Compuserve: 70701,520
Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859 USA     The WELL: eparker@well.sf.ca.us
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:49:58 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Susan Grajek 
Subject:      List of e-journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
REPLY TO 09/24/92 11:43 FROM 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU "Elliott Parker": Re:
e-journals
 
I just asked listserv@uottawa to get Ejourn1 directry & ejourn2 directry and
was told that it didn't have those files.  What's wrong?
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:52:02 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         James Powell 
Subject:      ejournal list
 
The files ejournl1 and ejournl2 are available via anonymous ftp from
borg.lib.vt.edu in /pub as ejournl1-2.txt.
 
James Powell >>> Systems Support and Development, University Libraries, VPI&SU
             >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU                                   O+>
             >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here
             >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals
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Date:         Thu, 24 Sep 1992 16:27:32 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Re: List of e-journals
In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:49:58 EDT from 
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Wrong spelling. Try
 
EJOURNL1 DIRECTRY
EJOURNL2 DIRECTRY
 
 
note that it is number 1 and number two at the end of EJOURNL
and no "o" in directry
 
I regret having used these file names as a few have had difficulty with
them.  Lesson in all this, I suppose.
 
 
Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa
 
         BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
         Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
         S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
         Voice:  (613) 747-0642
         FAX:    (613) 564-6641
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 09:20:30 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
From:         "(Edward Vielmetti)" 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET wrote:
: The individual  is fired or dies or decides to take
: a sabbatical or has lless and less interest in managing this archive of
: electronic materials.  No one wants to take the database of her hands.  She
: puts a message out on the network that she is going to quit and asks if
: anyone would like to take charge of the material.  No one does.  The material
: is deleted.
 
Many library "special collections" held in great esteem today were once
private and highly ideosyncratic collections by individuals of materials
that met their own individual selection criteria.
 
Not every personal hoard of stuff makes it through the library selection
process into full treatment as a special collection, what with the
commitment to preservation, access, and finder's aids that that entails.
It is completely and utterly normal for private archives to be broken up,
sold in pieces, discarded, or left to moulder in a box in some attic.
I'll stick out on a limb here and say that unless the individual user's
selection of electronic materials was somehow distinguished from the great
mass of other text that's on line in one form or another we should assume that
Sturgeon's Law [*] holds and make our selections accordingly.  Libraries
and archives make all kinds of hard decisions about collection
development, electronic versions of same need to be equally selective so
that users don't have to wade through materials irrelevant to the focus of
the collection.
 
  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
 
[*] 90% of everything is crap.
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 09:46:32 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Dennis Moser 
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
in re Edward Vielmetti's remarks about archives and hard choices: if
you have any questions as to the veracity of his statement, or
philosophy behind them, or if you are interested in the issues of this,
I urge you to check out the Archives LISTSERV. There is considerable
discussion about this and there is an increasing concern on the part
of professional archivists about how to handle collections of electronic
records. The University of Michigan just recently (Summer,'92 semester)
had a seminar on the archival administration of electronic records.
 
If you need the subscription if info, post to the group and I will do
the same with the details.
 
Dennis Moser
Internet:	aldus@aal.itd.umich.edu
*I don't speak for SILS or the U of M
and they don't do the same for me...yet*
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 09:47:03 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
From:         "(Edward Vielmetti)" 
Subject:      Proposed change in copyright transfer practice (> 250 lines)
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
there's a good discussion of the broadside that the Triangle Universities
libraries levelled at the traditional transfer of copyright to publishers
as a condition of publication going on in bionet.general.
 
The original was posted to the Newsletter on Serials Pricing Issues (which
I'm busy fixing up for gopher, will have that soon as I can manage)
 
  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
 
 
[ Article crossposted from bionet.general ]
[ Author was samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu ]
[ Posted on Wed, 23 Sep 1992 06:53:47 GMT ]
 
In article <1992Sep21.211723.11962@ncsu.edu> rosswhet@forbt2.nrrc.ncsu.edu
(Ross Whetten) writes:
>Hello networld!
>....[    ] ......
>
>------------------------------beginning of included
text------------------------------
>
>August 31, 1992
>
>
>Dear Colleagues:
>
>     The attached model "University Policy Regarding Faculty Publication in
>Scholarly Journals" was drafted by a joint committee of faculty, librarians
>and university press editors from Duke University, North Carolina State
>University, and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (collectively
>known as the Research Triangle Universities in the vernacular).  Although the
>document incorporates many suggestions and corrections received from faculty,
 
......[     ] ......
 
>  Ross Whetten
>
 
In the presentation you overlooked a prior precedent: the copyright for
the articles containing original research by scientists working for
Uncle Sam are explicitly transferred to the Public Domain as a CONDITION
of publication that the journal's publisher *absolutely* must accept..
 
Another prior precedent is the court ruling about "Self Advertisement"
notification when page charges payment are a condition for publication.
 
The commercial publication and distribution of original scientific
communications on *paper* is time honored, but the world has changed.
This process may need to become more competitive and thus more
responsive to the needs of the authors and the intended audience.  The
basis of the competition to provide goods and services often involves
suitable substitutes, and not just price cutting.
 
I have discussed the desirablilty of putting the theses and dissertations
of our Departmental graduates on a FTP access machine (accompanied
by a search/query interface).  Kay Klier called this the "forgotten"
literature.
 
I'd be willing to bet that the "agreement" that I signed with Xerox
"to publish" my dissertation (so as to fulfill that degree "requirement")
would prevent me from putting my *own* dissertation online electronically.
 
This is an example of how "early" we sign away "full copyrights" to our own
original authorship.  Notice that copyrights is plural.
 
The Triangle Research Libraries' proposal is a very significant challange
to the traditional publishers' perogative.
 
The separable copyrights for a single instance of authorship are
INTANGIBLE assets.  Some may have more value than others; some may
have no *realizable* value *today*.  However, we have entered a time
when some of those neglected and unused forms of copyright assignment
indeed may become excellent income earners, not to you, but the paper
publisher.  Those assets were all bought for a single "price."  And
most of all, you and I signed with no thought of informed consent.
 
The Research Triangle Libraries' proposal should be regarded as a
form of "rights education".....and, given the eagerness with which NCSU is
pursuing non-traditional exploitation of the fruits of ANY University
employee or student effort, I'm surprised that they are not
championing the proposal that Ross has gazetted in this forum.
 
Have a nice day!  :^)
Steve
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         Lighten UP!  It's just a computer doing that to you.
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 11:31:49 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Brian Nielsen 
Subject:      Re: Organizations supporting e-publishing?
In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed,
              23 Sep 1992 15:30:59 EDT from <441495@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Re: Michael Strangelove's Q about electronic journal organizations.  He
might want to list the Society for Scholarly Publishing.
 
                              |  Brian Nielsen
                              |  Networked Resources Coordinator
                              |  Academic Computing and Network Services
                              |  2129 North Campus Drive
                              |  Northwestern University
                              |  Evanston, IL  60208-2850
                              |  (708) 491-2170      FAX: (708) 491-3824
                              |  INTERNET: b-nielsen@nwu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:33:25 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         LES 
Subject:      Bookworms Unite!
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 
Hello...Long-time listener.  First-time caller.
 
I have been named "library coordinator" for the Department
of Communications here at Fullerton (journalism, photocommunications,
advertising, public relations, television/film sequences).
 
Do any of you have any experience in this area? Warnings or comments?
Can any of you librarians list any important issues I should be aware of
and stress while in committee?
Do any of you subscribe to book lists that I should subscribe to?
Do any of you know of any books, databases or cds that I should order?
 
Of course, the big question is how much money is available in this stripped
down university system to order anything.  Any help in this regard?
 
Thanks for thinking about this issue with me.
 
Paul Lester
California State University. Fullerton
714 449-5302
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:11:43 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         Network Mailer 
Subject:      mail delivery error
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 
Ever since the publication of the Directory of Electronic Journals and
Newsletters I have been frequently queried concerning resources for
publishers and editors interested in network-accessible electronic
publishing.  I think a timely project may be a survey of resources for
net publishers/editors and an overview of some of the more critical
issues.  The following is a tentative table of contents that I offer up
for comments, and also to ascertain if I am not about to duplicate
an existing document or project.
 
-- Michael Strangelove, University of Ottawa.
 
 
The Handbook of Network-Distributed Electronic Publishing
 
 
Table of Contents  [Tentative]
 
Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
 
Innovative Models. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
 
Dissemination Methods. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
 
Electronic Journals and Newsletters for Editors and Publishers . .   3
     CCNEWS - Campus Computing Newsletter. . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
     EJOURNAL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
 
Online Discussion Groups . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
 
Articles Documenting the Process of Creating Electronic Journals .   5
 
Articles About Electronic Publishing in General. . . . . . . . . .   5
 
Editorial Policies of Electronic Serials . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
     PSYCOLOQUY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
 
Copyright Policies of Network-Accessible Electronic Publications .   6
     PYCHOLOQUY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
 
Organizations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     Society for Scholarly Publishing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     Bookbuilders West . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     The Wladyslaw Poniecki Charitable Foundation. . . . . . . . .   8
     Association of Research Libraries . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
 
Conclusion . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
 
Bibliography of Further Reference Works. . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10
 
Possible Additional Sections:
 
Peer Review and Electronic Scholarly Journals
Economics of Electronic Network-Acessible Publishing
Movers and Shakers: Biographical Sketches of Network Pioneers
_______________________________________________________________________
 
 
Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa
 
         BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
         Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
         S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
         Voice:  (613) 747-0642
         FAX:    (613) 564-6641
 
 
Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa
 
         BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
         Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
         S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
         Voice:  (613) 747-0642
         FAX:    (613) 564-6641
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:12:57 EDT
Reply-To:     "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
Sender:       "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving,
              and Access" 
From:         M.Eid@uts.edu.au
Subject:      Computing sciences archives
 
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Could someone inform me of ftp addresses and archive sites for anything to
do with computer science please ?
 
Mireille Eid
Faculty Liaison Librarian
Mathematical and Computing Sciences
University of Technology, Sydney
Tel: 61-2-330-3318      	Fax: 61-2-330-3305
e-mail: M.Eid@uts.edu.au

__________________________________________________________________

James Powell