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Minorities and women are encouraged to apply. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 08:42:56 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: James Powell Subject: Resource update VPIEJ-L Resources Listserv Archive: There is a listserv archive available at email@example.com (listserv@vtvm1 for BITNET) for VPIEJ-L. Send a command as the body of a mail message to get a current filelist: INDEX VPIEJ-L to listserv. Use the get command to retrieve items from the archive in a mail message: GET EJ-BIB TXT. FTP Archive: The Scholarly Communications Project of Virginia Tech has an anonymous FTP archive which includes the VPIEJ-L archive, along with many electronic texts and electronic publishing utilities. To access this site, ftp to BORG.LIB.VT.EDU and login as userid anonymous. 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For example: SUB VPIEJ-L Joan Doe Or you may read and post to VPIEJ-L via Usenet in the group bit.listserv.vpiej-l Owner: James Powell James Powell >>> Library Automation, University Libraries, VPI&SU >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU O+> >>> firstname.lastname@example.org - NeXTMail welcome here >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic Journals ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:54:16 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: John Price-Wilkin Subject: Society plans electronic publishing effort Cross-posted to the following library lists: Colldv-l, Exlibris, libref-l, pacs-l, rlgpscd, VPIEJ-L SOCIETY FOR EARLY ENGLISH AND NORSE ELECTRONIC TEXTS We announce with this notice, which we are sending to several related lists, the formation of a new scholarly organiza- tion, The Society for Early English and Norse Electronic Texts (SEENET). SEENET will procure, produce, and disseminate scholar- ly electronic editions of Old Norse, Old English and Middle English texts. We will combine the full capacities of computer technology with the highest standards of traditional scholarly editing to publish machine-readable texts with reliable introduc- tory materials, annotations, and apparatus. Texts will conform to the Text Encoding Initiative's (TEI) guidelines for markup in the Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML). An electronic text offers unprecedented advantages to historians, literary critics, linguists, and editors. Unlike earlier, printed critical texts, the electronic text permits multiple manipulations of individual manuscripts, archetypes, and critical texts as well as combinations of each. Such texts lend themselves to sophisticated searches, concordancing, collations, and other forms of text retrieval. Editors may present in full both "good" and "bad" manuscripts, permitting literary historians to study the history of the reception of the text as shown by scribal changes or marginal annotations. Historical linguists may study developments in the history of the language through access to large databases of scribal spellings in all the dia- lects and time periods reflected in many different textual traditions. Scholars interested in stylistic analysis are able to make fuller and more complete studies of metrical, lexical, or syntactic patterning than are possible with printed texts. Moreover, the extremely flexible nature of an electronic text is ideal for representing complex textual traditions, even of works like Piers Plowman, where editors confront high degrees of ambi- guity and uncertainty. Electronic editions will accommodate scholars who prefer "best text" documentary editions as well as those who want the best possible modern editorial reconstruc- tions. Questions of the accessibility and quality of electronic texts are, therefore, a matter of current concern to a scholarly community increasingly enabled by electronic media. We are all aware that the limitations imposed by the printed codex need no longer constrain our historical, cultural, linguistic, or textual scholarship. Nevertheless, the institutional means for producing and disseminating reliable electronic texts are at present haphazard and inadequate. Scholars familiar with the Oxford Text Archive or with the Anglo-Saxon corpus know only too well how various is the quality of texts in those useful collections. Meanwhile, novice editors enthusiastic about computing are adapting older printed editions for more or less elaborate forms of textual manipulation. Unhappily, such editions are more often selected for the single reason that they are out of copyright than for the quality of their texts. Furthermore, large and extremely costly commercial projects such as the Chadwyck-Healey version of the Patrologia Latina or their similar corpus of English poetry have become means of disseminating older, obsolete editions. Such collections are too immediately useful to be dis- missed in spite of the uneven quality of the texts thus made available, but scholars are coming to associate electronic texts with poor editions. If the full potential of computer technology is to be realized by scholars in the humanities, our first and most important task will be to make available reliable scholarly editions, texts that are as sophisticated in their linguistic, paleographic, codicological, historical dimensions as they are in their computer technology. PUBLICATIONS Our Editorial Board will solicit, evaluate, select, and oversee scholarly editions for publication in three series. SERIES A will provide book-length editions published on floppy disks (usually under five megabytes). We will publish both diplomatic transcriptions of manuscript texts and critical texts, or combinations of the two. Texts will be accompanied by an introduction as well as appropriate historical, paleographic, codicological, lexical, and interpretative annotations. SERIES B will consist of multi-level editions of cul- turally important works with complex textual or criti- cal traditions. Texts in this series will accommodate some or all of the following features: (a) digitized facsimiles of some or all manuscripts, (b) diplomatic transcriptions of each manuscript with appropriate annotation, (c) a reconstructed archetype with annotation, (d) an edited text with annotations (perhaps incor- porating critical comments of previous editors), (e) a display of collated variants, (f) lemmatized concordances of each manuscript, the archetype, and the critical text, (g) critical introduction, and (h) a glossary. Texts in Series B will be published on CD-ROM disks or tape. SERIES C will serve an interim function by publishing electronic versions of useful older editions with SGML markup, until such time as the works may be re-edited. One example might be an electronic version of Finnur J"nsson's Den norsk-islandske skjaldedigtning published in 1912-15 with both diplomatic transcriptions from single manuscripts (Series A) and heavily edited texts of the skaldic corpus (Series B). An electronic text of this outdated printed text would serve until SEENET is able to publish new electronic versions of the skaldic corpus. STRUCTURE OF THE SOCIETY (a) The Editorial Board Peter Baker, The University of Virginia. Hoyt N. Duggan, The University of Virginia. A. S. G. Edwards, University of Victoria, British Columbia Anthony Faulkes, The University of Birmingham Ralph Hanna III, University of California--River- side Judith Jesch, Institute for Medieval Studies, University of Nottingham John Price-Wilkin, Information Management Coordi- nator, Alderman Library, The University of Virginia Peter Robinson, Computing Service, Oxford University Thorlac Turville-Petre, Institute for Medieval Studies, University of Nottingham (b) The ADVISORY BOARD consists of an international group of distinguished medievalists who will advise SEENET's Board of Edi- tors on matters of policy. The present Advisory Board consists of the following scholars: Professors John Alford, Michigan State University; Ste- phen Barney, University of California, Irvine; Larry D. Benson, Harvard University; John Burrow, Bristol; Patrick Conner, West Virginia University; Marilyn Deegan, Oxford University; Christine Fell, Institute for Medieval Studies, University of Nottingham; Allen Frantzen, Loyola University, Chicago; David Greetham, Graduate School and University Center, CUNY; Thomas J. Heffernan, University of Tennessee; Robert L. Kellogg, University of Virginia; Kevin Kiernan, University of Kentucky; V.A. Kolve, University of California, Los Angeles; Ian Lancashire, University of Toronto; Michael Lapidge, Cambridge University; Anne Middleton, Univer- sity of California, Berkeley; Alistair Minnis, Univer- sity of York; Douglas Moffat, University of Michigan; Derek Pearsall, Harvard University; Fred Robinson, Yale University; Geoffrey Russom, Brown University; R. A. Shoaf, University of Florida, A. C. Spearing, Univer- sity of Virginia; and Paul Szarmach, SUNY Binghamton. (c) The Members of the Society Members will pay an annual fee which will entitle them to receive the SEENET Newsletter and one text from Series A or C. Just as with the Early English Text Society, members will be able to purchase SEENET's other electronic texts at a discounted price, and the texts will be available to non-members at a higher price. We are presently seeking the sponsorship of a major academic press to publish our three series, and it would be helpful in that effort if we can offer pub- lishers an idea of the potential membership for the new society. We would like to know what kinds of member- ship fees would be acceptable and whether scholars would be willing to submit their scholarly electronic texts to SEENET for publication. Response Form 1. Is your library likely to join SEENET? 2. Would the library be more interested in acquiring specific texts from SEENET or in acquiring all SEENET texts? 3. Would your library be willing to pay $30.00 per year to be a member of SEENET and receive one text from Series A or C? Would it pay $60.00? How much would your library be willing to pay for individual Series A or C texts on a standing order basis? Keep in mind that each is equivalent in length to printed books of 200-500 pages. 4. Does your library's collection development policy address collecting electronic texts? If so, would you mind sharing your policy with SEENET. 5. What is your library's involvement in acquiring electronic texts and making them accessible? Are there other groups on campus doing this, and if so, are the efforts being coordinated with the library? 6. If electronic texts are currently being made available by your institution, in what formats and through what means (e.g., personal computers or networked access) are the texts made available? 7. What distribution medium would your institution prefer in receiving texts? 8. What rights/privileges for access and distribution of texts does your library feel are necessary to include in licensing? 9. Are scholars at your institution working with specific Old English, Old Norse, or Middle English texts that you would particularly like to see become available? 10. What texts would you most like to see available in electron- ic form? We invite comments, criticism, and support from librarians. Responses by e-mail may be directed to email@example.com (or) firstname.lastname@example.org or by regular post to either Thorlac Turville-Petre Department of English University of Nottingham Nottingham NG7 2RD England or Hoyt N. Duggan Department of English The University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 08:57:52 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Dirk Herr-Hoyman Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension Subject: An Invitation to Try the Electronic Journal of Extension An Invitation from the Electronic Journal of Extension Project Team --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Journal of Extension Now Available in Electronic Format on the Internet from email@example.com * Please Forward this Notice to Colleagues, Appropriate Lists, Newsgroups and Forums! We invite you to try the Journal of Extension, now available in several electronic formats on the Internet via the Almanac E-mail document server. If you receive this message more than once, we apologize. Please consider these redundant message as mount evidence for your affinity with our journal :-) THE JOURNAL OF EXTENSION The Journal of Extension (JOE) is the official refereed publication of the Cooperative Extension System. Its articles update and improve the effectiveness of 10,000 professional Extension and adult educators in 16 countries. The Journal also serves as a forum for emerging and contemporary issues affecting Extension education. It's written and edited by Extension professionals, sharing with their colleagues successful educational applications, original and applied research findings, scholarly opinions, educational resources and challenges on issues important to Extension and adult educators. The Cooperative Extension System (CES), a national educational network, is a dynamic, ever-changing organization pledged to meeting the United States' needs for research, knowledge, and educational programs that will enable people to make practical decisions. 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Mention of brand names or commercial products does not constitute endorsement or recommendation by the University of Wisconsin-Extension. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:26:16 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Stu Weibel Subject: E-publishing and paper sales At National Net 93 last week in Washington, Tracy LaQuey Parker described her experience with mounting an ASCII version of her book, _An Internet Companion_, on the Online Bookstore (email@example.com) for free downloading (one chapters a month). The publisher (Addison Wesley) was a bit concerned about the possibility of lost sales, but having ceded electronic distribution rights, they did not object. The publisher believes that sales increased as a consequence (they received orders from countries they had never received orders from before). An interesting case-history that should not be lost on publishers or authors. Not that the lesson is universal... it presumes content that is interesting and in demand (ie., the ascii tantalizes rather than traumatizes), and the situation may be entirely different for occasional reference resources that are `consulted' rather than 'read'. More to the point for journal literature... Would free distribution of abstracts enhance or depress fee-based document delivery or subscriptions? stu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 08:26:52 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Brendan Kehoe Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:26:16 EDT." <9304202030.AA20126@cygnus.com> > At National Net 93 last week in Washington, Tracy LaQuey Parker > described her experience with mounting an ASCII version of her book, > _An Internet Companion_, on the Online Bookstore (firstname.lastname@example.org) > for free downloading (one chapters a month). The publisher (Addison > Wesley) was a bit concerned about the possibility of lost sales, but > having ceded electronic distribution rights, they did not object. > > The publisher believes that sales increased as a consequence (they > received orders from countries they had never received orders from > before). An interesting case-history that should not be lost on > publishers or authors. I went through something really similar. Prentice Hall at first strenuously resisted letting anything at all be available on the Net (even though it was already out there for months before I even talked with anyone there). After some pretty funny suggestions (don't let anyone on the Net copy it, just let them look at it---something's wrong), they finally let in and let me leave the earlier edition freely available. It's just another learning curve which happens to be centered around an idea that smacks full in the face of what a publisher expects to happen. Reportedly more people have been getting the "free" one then buying the second edition than they anticipated (if the mail I've been getting is any indication). Once the initial fear that you're somehow going to hurt a market by using electronic distribution is dissipated, I hope a lot of other publishers follow the same route. If paid-subscription journals were to follow suit by doing electronic distribution of their back issues, or select portions thereof, it'd be fantastic! Brendan -- Brendan Kehoe email@example.com Cygnus Support, Mountain View, CA +1 415 903 1400 ``In a cruel and imperfect world,'' says critic Rex Reed, ``[Audrey Hepburn] was living proof that God could still create perfection.'' ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 10:31:21 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Harald Lux Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:26:16 EDT from > Not that the lesson is universal... As you said. I think there are two points to consider in this case: 1.The reader has to be very patient if he wants to read the hole book on-line (six Chapters plus Foreword and Appendix, only one chapter per month ...) 2.They seem to be behind schedule. I connected yesterday per anonymous ftp to world.std.com (Directory /OBS/The.Internet.Companion) and the last and actual chapter Three is dated "Feb 16 05:02". > More to the point for journal literature... Would free > distribution of abstracts enhance or depress fee-based > document delivery or subscriptions? About this I found an article (but in German and rather old): Manfred Loeben; Wolfgang Runge Auswirkungen computergestuetzter Informationsdienste auf die Nutzung von Fachzeitschriften (Impacts of Computer-Aided Information Services on the Use of Scientific and Technical Journals) Nachrichten fuer Dokumentation (34) 1983, Nr. 2, 93-98 An extract form their (English) summary: "Impacts of computer-aided bibliographic information services on the use and purchase of scientific and technical journals have been investigated on two levels. On the microscopic level the results of questionnaires with end-users of the services and intermediaries have shown that (1) through the data bases the general use of literature is increased and (2) abstracts do not serve as substitutes for the original literature except for topics outside of the primary interest. ¢...¦ On the macroscopic level time-series of print-runs (1968-1980) for selected groups of scientific and technical journals have been analyzed on the basis of various aggregations. These analyses do not give any evidence that computer-aided information services have a negative influence on journals." The information services they investigated were commercial but I think these results are transferable to free distribution of abstracts like 'current cites'. They also found that "The increased use of scientific and technical literature as a result of computer-aided information services has no influence on the journal subscription of the end-users, the need for more literature probably being satisfied through lending from libraries. On the other hand, the use of secondary services in for-profit organisations has induced subscription to more journals." They cite two other investigations which found similar results: Cronin, B.: CAB Abstracts: A Global View. Aslib Proceedings (32) 1980, p. 425 Wanger, J.; Cuadra, C.A. and Fishburn, M.: Impact of On-Line- Retrieval-Services: A Survey of Users, 1974-1975. System Development Corp., Santa Monica, 1976 Maybe there are some newer studies? Harald --------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Lux firstname.lastname@example.org Moischter Str. 45 email@example.com W-3550 Marburg 7 CIS: 100024,3231 Germany Tel.: +49 6421 481310 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 08:52:27 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: "Linda Hulbert, Medical Center Library" Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales This was very interesting. According to some medical journal gurus (S. Locke former editor of the BMJ and Lundberg, editor of JAMA,) a large percentage of medical decisions are made based on the ABSTRACT of an article. That's why they pushed for the structured abstract. It's a horror that that's the basis for medical action (or inaction), but if that's the way it is, I wonder what freeing up the abstracts would do to borrowing/lending copyright etc. Linda Hulbert, Assistant Director for Technical Services Saint Louis University Medical Center Library ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 08:52:40 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: "Linda Hulbert, Medical Center Library" Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales I'm sorry, I had one more thought on this. It has been my contention that the journal is the more likely medium to be changed from paper to electronics. The desired article stands alone. The one before it and after it are seldom of interest. It is independent and discreet and gives little context for the item being discussed. EG a journal article on peptides will be of little interest to MOST people. It will have a tiny audience because it will be on a tiny bit of information on peptides. but a book on peptides, puts the subject within its discipline. Gives its history, its value for study and the index will permit meandering thru the book. I watch the changes in publishing with interest to see if this theory is so. Book publishers and vendors are terrified, but I think the book is here to stay. Now the journal as we know it, MAY go the way of the card catalog. Linda Hulbert, Assistant Director for Technical Services Saint Louis University Medical Center Library ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 13:56:45 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: "Natalie S. King" Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales I'm usually just a "lurker" on this list but I want to make a remark about Linda Hulbert's statement that journal articles stand alone with the one before and after being of little interest. As a former scientist and current library researcher, I can tell you there are many times that serendipity has played a role in my information gathering--e.g., I go to look up one article and find one in the same issue that is even more valuable than the one I sought originally. They may not be on the same topic but I have many research interests and I've really found a lot of good stuff this way. Just some thoughts over a cup of Earl Grey. ----Natalie King Univ. of MD at College Park firstname.lastname@example.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 13:57:14 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: "John R. Garrett" <email@example.com> Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales Linda Hulbert sees the journal as a collection of articles, which, in a digital library, can readily be transmitted individually. I think that we may see, in addition to individual article transmission, a new form of browsable, linked articles (by subject, author, theme, etc.) that we will experience like a journal, although we may call it something else. I could even imagine that this new form may replace the book as we have known it. Paper journals are useful in part because of the serendipitious relationships among articles, authors, sources that they embody: I think we'll want that more, not less, in the future. AT&T's RightPages makes this assumption too (I think), which is one reason I like it. Many of us are searching for "wandering-through-the-stacks" metaphors, and there are interesting ways for digital libraries to supply them. I rarely know (really don't want to know) exactly what I'm looking for when I begin browsing, and when I find what I want it's not what I would have said I was looking for in the beginning. And I like it that way. John Garrett ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 08:22:02 EDT Reply-To: BROWPHYL@ux1.isu.edu Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: "BROWN, PHYLLIS" Organization: Idaho State University Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales John Garrett's serendipitous experience can be repeated somewhat with a search on a topic in CARL's UNCOVER or a browse command which shows table of contents pages for any given issue of any journal title which they list. They list 11,000 titles now and are shooting for 20,000 in the future. We get closer to the virtual library every day. ----Phyllis J. Brown Acquisitions Oboler Library Idaho State University, Pocatello, ID 83209-8089 (208) 236-2670 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 10:37:12 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Marsha Woodbury Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Subject: Re: E-publishing and paper sales Another lurker speaks up. Linda Hubert spoke for my romantic side, but I have my doubts about how books and journals will be stored in the future. Yesterday I walked up to the fourth floor of our library to look in one of the many, small specialized libraries, like Classics and Geography, etc. With a huge electronic database, all those books would be accessible and intermingled, with good indexing, and the chances of my finding some books would actuallybe enhanced. So shelf-browsing might be diminished, but room/building browsing will be enhanced. -- Marsha Woodbury firstname.lastname@example.org A simile is like a metaphor. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 07:57:29 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: James O'Donnell Subject: Gopher and Copyright (Posted to three lists: further posting permitted, esp. to gopher-manager lists) As e-editor of Bryn Mawr Classical Review, I have run across a potentially troubling problem. Many gopher menus show assorted e-journals, and BMCR is a staple on these lists. I discovered today that one particular server was supplying our texts in a woefully out of date and unauthorized version. They probably came from a one-time experiment I authorized to take some of our files and make them available on WAIS at a time when WAIS was the newest thing on the block. Since that time, we have worked out a good arrangement with the e-text center at the University of Virginia Library to maintain the only authorized current archive of our files: that way, I only have to make corrections, changes, etc., in one place. But the site I found was using old files. I asked veronica to check out the world of gopher tunnels for me, searching the word MAWR, and got back five screenfuls of hits. I did not do an exhaustive check, but the results were dismaying: many of the sites were clearly using old files, and had apparently downloaded them from somewhere in a batch some time ago, stuffed them in a local gopher hole, and forgotten about them. Users of those gophers will think BMCR an odd publication that ceased some time ago. This is all around distressing and raises questions of control and management of e-resources. As I think about it, it seems to me that this is a place where copyright gives us still a useful way of thinking about the problem, if not an immediate solution. By no stretch of the imagination is it "fair use" to take all the existing files of a publication (which expresses its claim to copyright with each issue, but that claim is superfluous under the 1976 act; and we do have an ISSN for the e-version to identify it further) and make them available for unsupervised copying by others. It seems to me not only common courtesy, but in fact an outright legal requirement, that if you wish to put files on your machine for others to consult, you make certain that you have the permission of the copyright holder to do so. This will ensure that the copyright holder can express very legitimate concerns: for the completeness, accuracy, and currency of the data, and for the uses to which the material will be put. But in the free and easy world of gopher today, my distinct impression is that files fly around very casually. Some gophers are carefully nurtured and managed, others are compost heaps. Individual users can and should pay attention to how the gopher at their institution that they rely on is managed and insist on quality control; and those of us who create material that finds its way into gopher holes should not be bashful about insisting -- for the benefit of authors, "publishers", and readers alike -- that good management and respect for legal rights be a part of the system. Jim O'Donnell Department of Classical Studies University of Pennsylvania email@example.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 10:45:40 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Jim Cerny Subject: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Mawr Classical Review example. I think Jim O'Donnell identifies an important point when he describes the discovery of outdated copies of the Bryn Mawr Classical Review on servers on the Internet. And I suspect it has been discussed somewhere before, among the thousands of lists on the Internet, though I've not seen such a discussion. You also don't have to go off your own campus to encounter this. Our own 'war-story' here at Univ.N.H. involved a policy manual. We experimented with several ways to put it on-line for general reading and then announced it to the public. The experimentation occurred, off and on, for about a year. Several months after we went public we discovered by chance that someone had an old version of the manual on their server (VideoTex in their case). Unlike the BWCR situation, this was not copied from what we regarded as the officially sanctioned electronic version and the circumstances were totally innocent. When establishing their VideoTex infobase they wanted to populate it with some interesting stuff, so they scanned in the policy manual from what was then the official paper copy. Except it regularly changes, of course. Sooooo, while agreeing that this is a serious problem I am not yet prepared to agree that copyright is the answer. Yes, we _ought_ to respect copyrights. But what if someone doesn't? Are you really going to sue them? I've looked into copyright law in the past (from the point of view of a cartographer producing maps) and concluded then and now that it is mainly an effective tool for lawyers and those with the financial assets to hire them. I'm inclined to appeal to a sense of ethical handling of data rather than legal handling and to look for some low-tech solutions. What can I suggest? Well, I know checksums have been suggested in the past as a way to deal with accuracy (in the sense of corruption or alteration, not datedness). And in the case Jim O'Donnell brings up, and which I illustrated with our policy manual, it is datedness that is probably the main issue. I wonder if the inclusion of expiration dates on all documents, similar to product expiration dates in the supermarket, could work? After that date anyone using the document should not regard it as trustworthy. Practical/impractical? Also, related to this is the correction of errors of substance after the initial distribution. In the traditional paper-publishing world this doesn't seem to work very well. For example, the NYTimes and most other paper publications seem to tuck correction notices in a variety of inconspicuous places (I don't know how you'd ever expect to find them if doing microfilm research). But electronic publication should offer more possibilities for replacing original versions with corrected versions, so again I come back to the idea of dated material. Having said all this, I also try to look at this as someone who is now building a Gopher server. As our Gopher grows over time (probably very rapidly) how much time will we really have to Do The Right Thing, whether that is to retrieve fresh copies of documents or to seek written permission to make copies???? Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H. firstname.lastname@example.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 10:46:29 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Susan Hockey Subject: Reliability of electronic texts Jim O'Donnell's note only serves to strengthen a view held by many people who have been working in electronic texts and humanities computing for some time. Regretfully, as electronic texts become more common, the amount of junk seems to increase. This problem was noted most strongly at the annual conference of the Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing and the Association for Computers and the Humanities last year in a panel on policy and control of electronic texts. Quite independently, all the panelists (a humanities scholar, a librarian who has run an electronic text center for years, a publisher, and the chair of one of the sponsoring organizations) prepared similar statements, saying that reliability is the one key issue for the future of electronic texts. All these people had significant experience of working with electronic texts for several years and for different purposes, and their remarks were based on their own practical experiences with texts from various sources. We not seem yet to have found ways to tackle this problem. There are recognized procedures for choosing acquisitions of print material, yet for electronic texts, I sense, at least in some places, an attitude of `it's in electronic form - therefore we must have it'. As Director of the Center for Electronic Texts in the Humanities, I do not want to be responsible for people doing work based on inferior or defective texts. I want to provide texts which will last and which can become more and more useful as we gain a better understanding of what can be done with them. The question for this group is then: what constitutes a reliable text and how do we know that it is reliable? Here are a few thoughts for starters: 1. If the original is in print form, an accurate transcription which means no typos, markup which enables the user to locate a reference exactly, and a clear indication of the bibliographical source. 2. A markup scheme which enables the text to be used for many different purposes and to link it to other electronic texts. 3. A revision history so that a record of changes to the text is available for all users. 4. A method of validating or authenticating the text so that to ensure that it is not a corrupted version. Susan Hockey Center for Electronic Texts in the Humanities Rutgers and Princeton Universities ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 12:52:53 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Lee Jaffe Subject: Re: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Mawr Classical Review example. In-Reply-To: (null) While I think that the recent discussion about incorrect editions being available raises a serious issue, I want to ask how is this different from print? Do publishers worry that libraries haven't bought the latest edition of their encyclopaedia? We have a lot of out-of-date, superseded, even incorrect information in libraries. Sometimes it is sitting right next to the latest and corrected edited, but often not. My question is not strictly rhetorical. There is something to suggest that an electronic text is regarded differently than a print one. This seems to be one of those points where we have an opportunity to ask ourselves some interesting questions about the nature of electronic publications and how they differ from print. If it is ok to have 1988 Encyclopaedia Brittanica on the shelves, why isn't it ok to have last year's Bryn Mawr Classical Review on your gopher? Why should Bryn Mawr care and Britannica doesn't? Why is it different? -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz email@example.com p.s. To answer the original question in its original sense, the sort of problem described is supposed to be answered by distributed systems such as gopher. Ideally, there should be only one official copy on a host server to which everyone else points their clients. When Bryn Mawr updates an edition, everyone is updated. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 14:29:40 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: LYNCH@jade.bucknell.edu Subject: Re: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Mawr Classical Review example. One simple but obviously not foolproof way to combat the problem pointed out by Jim O'Donnell is to prominently place a notice in each electronic document stating where the guaranteed most up-to-date version of this document can be found. Anyone who felt it imperative to have the latest version would then be able to get it easily. Clearly this is a more acceptable solution for some types of documents than others. Michael Lynch Systems Librarian, Bertrand Library (717) 524-3565 Bucknell University LYNCH@JADE.BUCKNELL.EDU Lewisburg, PA. 17837 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 14:30:10 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Stu Weibel Subject: Re: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Mawr Classical Review example. Lee Jaffe's question is a good one ( incorrect editions ... how is this different from print?) Perhaps there is a quantitative difference in the ease with which electronic texts can be compromised (it is generally clear when a print text has been altered, and the user is warned... less so with electronic texts). But it is also true that a library has staff whose job it is to manage collections, and it is almost certainly done more systematically in a collection of artifacts such as books and serials than for a collection of files that are managed by a computing facility. Further, there is a kind of validation (publication dates, editions) for printed material that is much softer for computer files (version, file-write-date). These are important differences that deserve the careful attention of electronic publishers of all types. stu Stuart Weibel OCLC Office of Research firstname.lastname@example.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 14:30:54 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Ann Okerson Subject: Gophers and Copyright (fwd) Forwarded message: From daemon Tue Apr 27 08:38:35 1993 From: Ann Okerson Message-Id: <9304271238.AA14941@a.cni.org> Subject: Gophers and Copyright To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 8:38:33 EDT Cc: email@example.com, ann (Ann Okerson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Mr. O'Donnell's posting seems to address two different issues: 1. How the library or information technology community deals with electronic publications, particularly "serial" ones (i.e., continuing indefinitely) such as journals, newsletters, and so on. He points to a problem that has come to our notice quickly as a result of new tools such as Gopher. A search through Gopher sites does indeed show a number of electronic serials that look dead but, in real life, are living and breathing and kicking. Those who placed the initial files have not taken care to keep them up to date and in that regard the titles are no different than journals for which a library has cancelled a subscription. The journal stays on the shelves but is no longer current. One might well want a short run of an electronic journal on one's electronic shelves, but the other problem is that there is no equivalent of a general bibliographic or descriptive framework that tells the reader who has found the partial run, that there is more to be had by looking elsewhere. 2. Rights and ownership. The current climate for most electronic serials is that they are free and wide sharing is encouraged. In an informal survey we conducted in January out of ARL, about 3 dozen electronic serial editors or moderators outlined their copyright or ownership policies, if any, and identified their greatest wishes and concerns. In every case there were three of equal weight: A. That the work be widely shared and reproduced. B. That the work be used with proper attribution and in its full context. C. That any reformatting, transfer of medium, or use for sale, or any other treatment beyond that, should be done with consultation and permission of the copyright holder of the e-journal. In any case, people who place partial files, or any kind of copyrighted files, without permission, on computer sites, seem (to me) to have violated both common courtesy and the law. ***** Possibly Mr. O'Donnell merges two different ideas in his posting. First, he (and copyright holders in general) should be asked for permissions. But he then goes on to offer the conditions under which he will grant those permissions. One seems to be that the files be maintained complete and up to date, incorporating corrections and revisions if/as they come along. I'm not sure that he has the right to require this kind of currency and commitment. That would be the same as a journal publisher saying the subscriber cannot subscribe unless she promises never to stop subscribing. Such a condition looks and feels more like some of the licenses in which purchasers return all back CDs if they stop the current subscription. If he does have the authority as copyright holder to set conditions, how would he enforce them? Any comments? Ann Okerson/ARL firstname.lastname@example.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 14:31:40 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Ken Laws Subject: Active Text In-Reply-To: <9304271451.AA21677@Sunset.AI.SRI.COM> Concerning out-of-date texts: There's no technological fix for obsolete information that others have scanned from paper copies. With data files, though, it would be possible to have "active documents" that include code as well as text. (Alternatively, the code could be part of every operating system or distribution channel. That seems unlikely.) The code header could check its own date against one from the host machine and could then prepend any needed warning to the text that it provides. Or it could lock the text entirely. I'm reminded of an anecdote told by Grace Hopper. A private company once stole her Navy COBOL compiler, stripping out Navy identification and substituting their own. She made sure that the next compiler release had hidden checks for its own integrity before it would execute. Adding executable code to text is trivial in Lisp, but could be done easily enough in other environments. The code could serve other functions as well, such as sending a message or payment to the document author whenever the text is read. -- Ken Laws email@example.com ------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:46:47 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Ann Okerson Subject: Re: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Mawr Classical Review In-Reply-To: <9304271827.AA23350@a.cni.org>; from "LYNCH@jade.bucknell.edu" at Apr 27, 93 2:29 pm Mr. Lynch's comment suggests that anyone should be able to retrieve a full file and post or "publish" it anywhere on a public site. That it is the editor's or copyright holder's responsibility to make that possible. Surely the point of the the BMCR experience and message is that anyone seeking to "re-publish" an entire file or work, should ask permission to do it. Even apart from copyright law which requires it, ordinary courtesy recommends it. It's not clear why people are doing things in the electronic world that they would not do in the print world at all. Publishing others' full works and files without even notification...surely in this respect we should treat information in *any* format (print, electronic, blue cheese) in the same thoughtful fashion? Ann Okerson/ARL (firstname.lastname@example.org) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 10:52:54 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Edith Wu Subject: Re: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Maw Jim O'Donnell's comments came timely. I have been pondering over how to collect electronic journals for the gopher of my library. As far as I can see, there are two ways to get the electronic journals. One way is to subscribe personally on the behalf of the library and then post the issues in the gopherspace. The other is simply to find a reputable gopher and point mine to it. In regard to copyright, the case one is quite straightforward. The copyright holder should be informed of the distribution method and his permission should be sought. But, how about the case two? Should the gopher administrator (or any other responsible person) write to the copyright holder for permission? Is the administrator (or the institution) of the "mother" gopher be liable for violating copyright? As to the updatedness of the file, I do not see why the old files should not remain there for public access even though the library chooses to cease subscription to it. I do agree that the period coverage has to be made known to users. This is same for the print journals. Edith Wu University Library The Chinese University of Hong Kong e-mail: email@example.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 10:53:42 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Guedon Jean-Claude Subject: Re: Comments on Jim O'Donnell's Bryn Mawr Classical Review In-Reply-To: <199304272054.AA28391@condor.CC.UMontreal.CA> from "Ann Okerson" at Apr 27, 93 04:46:47 pm > > Mr. Lynch's comment suggests that anyone should be able to retrieve a > full file and post or "publish" it anywhere on a public site. That it > is the editor's or copyright holder's responsibility to make that > possible. Surely the point of the the BMCR experience and message > is that anyone seeking to "re-publish" an entire file or work, should > ask permission to do it. Even apart from copyright law which requires > it, ordinary courtesy recommends it. > > It's not clear why people are doing things in the electronic world that > they would not do in the print world at all. Publishing others' full > works and files without even notification...surely in this respect we > should treat information in *any* format (print, electronic, blue cheese) > in the same thoughtful fashion? Ann Okerson/ARL (firstname.lastname@example.org) > Ann's comments are much to the point, but they also raise an intriguing, more general question, namely: how does technology affect people's behavior with each other? Everyday, we see tranquil fathers and mothers doing the weirdest things once placed behind a steering wheel. Likewise, it seems that e-mail and e-communication induces new and strange forms of deviance or simply discourteous behavior. In the case raised here, it seems that some electronic device, like a number given by the originating source to any copier would help maintain good mirrors everywhere. Entropy being what it is supposed to be, anarchic copying will inexorably lead to immense noise. The automatic system I envision could simply the automatic adding of a mention in the directory's heading. For example, copying the right version of BMCR would lead to a directory named BMCR-approved-to-a_date. This approbation could be transmitted, of course, to insure good mirrors of mirrors, but everyone would then know what she is facing up to. This said, I am thinking aloud and very conscious of the roughness of this concept, a roughness that may amount to unworkability. But someone will undoubtedly come up with a better mousetrap. And all of this reflects the enormous changes brought to the "being" of texts once the medium is changed. Fascinating, as Mr. Spock would say... Jean-Claude Guedon Universite de Montreal email@example.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:24:26 EDT Reply-To: Peter Scott Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Peter Scott Organization: The National Capital Freenet Subject: The Strategic Information Systems Electronic Journal (fwd) From D.W.Hartland@newcastle.ac.uk Wed Apr 28 08:30:12 1993 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 11:43:22 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hartland To: new-lists list Subject: sis-ejournal list on mailbase +-----------------------------------------+ | | | A NEW LIST HAS BEEN STARTED ON MAILBASE | | | +-----------------------------------------+ It is called sis-ejournal Its description reads; The Strategic Information Systems Electronic Journal (SIS- EJournal) aims to encourage, advance, and communicate interdisciplinary thinking in the field of strategic information systems, by means of fast electronic publication. To join this list send the command: join listname firstname lastname as the only text of an e-mail message to: firstname.lastname@example.org email@example.com (from outside the UK) (Remember to replace firstname and lastname with your first name and last name) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 08:23:30 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Charles Forrest Subject: Re: Reliability of electronic texts In-Reply-To: <9304282101.AA15793@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Fascinating discussion. It's interesting to see the parallelisms and divergencies between etexts and paper texts. Questions about authenticity, the "ur-text," do published editions accurately reflect author's intentions, &c. But perhaps most significantly for this discussion is the underlying assumption "The most current is the best." And, in fact, the corollary "Previous, outdated editions are pernicious." Perhaps true for policy or technical manuals. But this is certainly not the only category of material on the net. Many years ago in library school we examined a critical edition of the poetry of Holderlin, a notorious reviser of his own work, who often went back years later and made many changes. The publishers (German, as I recall) had used an elaborate system of typography to indicate the layers of text on pages facing a facsimile of the manuscript. Fascinating. The point was, would this happen with electronic word processing? Marked up manuscripts are a thing of the past (maybe), gone the record on paper of the struggles of a work in progress (Beethoven's manuscripts, for example). You use your diskettes over again, recycle your "printouts," and communicate electronically with your publisher, who sends your files straight to the typesetting machine, or eventually, mounts them in a proprietary way on the net. I see future researchers writing grants to develop text-hungry worms that burrow through gopher space like cybernetic Hinman collators, ferreting out variant editions, chewing up author's intentions for breakfast, leaving a trail of definitive editions in their wakes... FROM - Charles Forrest VOICE 404-727-0137 Woodruff Library FAX 404-727-0805 Emory University BITNET libcgf@emoryu1 Atlanta, GA 30322 INTERNET firstname.lastname@example.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 08:24:09 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: James O'Donnell Subject: Gopher/Copyright: Sage Advice The discussion evoked by my anecdotal experience with tracking BMCR on gopher has been delightful: much wisdom and a variety of points of view. I have said to several individuals off-line since it appeared that what I didn't know I thought until I heard what I had to say is that copyright, wisely employed, can be one element in protecting *all* parties to the scholarly communication process, from author to reader, with all the intermediaries. If some academics have an Attitude about copyright these days, it may be because we hear of it chiefly through efforts by the commercial publishers to assert *their* rights in the system in ways that seem to threaten others. A more communitarian approach is surely in accord with the spirit and the letter of the law: we can all benefit if we can see it that way. Anyway, the highest ranking individual to offer advice on this topic since yesterday came to me while I was reading a fascinating new book about the transition from scribal to modern cultural in contemporary Yemen (*The Calligraphic State* by Brinkley Messick [Berkeley, 1993]) that takes its interest from the anomaly of Yemen never having been subject to Christian, Western colonization, and so never had "our" ways imposed on or insinuated into theirs. Fascinating book, but the author quoted an authority I've known for a long time, and since I like these adumbrations of our concerns in the worthies of old, I had to jot it down: And every word, when once it is written, is bandied about, alike among those who understand and those who have no interest in it, and it knows not to whom to speak or not to speak; when ill-treated or unjustly reviled it always needs its father to help it; for it has no power to protect or help itself. Socrates in Plato *Phaedrus* 275d Jim O'Donnell U. of Pennsylvania ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 16:31:05 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: "Robin Peek, Simmons College" Subject: Call for papers Call for Papers Journal of the American Society for Information Science announces a Perspectives edition on Electronic Publishing ASIS is seeking contributions on key issues electronic publishing. This issue will include essays on such topics as: Defining electronic publishing; NREN and its impact on electronic publishing, data integrety, and international considerations for electronic publishing. This JASIS issue is seeking contribution on a range of topics. Length of essay is variable. The deadline for manuscripts is September 1st 1993. This issue will be published in early 1994. Topics of particular interest are: Retrieval of electronic documents Legal and policy issues Lessons learned from electronic publishing projects Models for electronic publishing Electronic editing How libraries cope with electronic publishing Impact of electronic publishing on traditional publishing Please send a short description of your submission by June 1st to email@example.com or by mail: Robin Peek, Assistant Professor, Graduate School of Library and Information Science, Simmons College, Boston, MA, 02115. Additional information on submission procedures will be given at that time. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 16:32:22 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: TED JENNINGS Subject: Re: Reliability of electronic texts About reliability, outdatedness, and one approach -- I know of no way to prevent "corruption" of an electronic text. Any reader can alter any text and send it along in altered form. Know your supplier. I know of no way to be correct forever. Even sanctified texts (Holy Scripture, Constitutions, Classics) are glossed and annotated and debated. So worrying about "outdatedness" seems inappropriate; it can't be prevented. _EJournal_ is committed to the integrity of its texts as distributed for the first time. We will not change the smallest misprint, ever. If anyone, "subscriber" or not, wants to see what was sent via e-mail to subscribers on "publication day," or at any time since, they can send to our Fileserv for the issue they want. We can and do publish rebuttals, corrections, comments; but what we send out is what stays "in print," outdated or not. We put notes about follow-up discussions in our "contents" file on the Fileserv. This is a kind of "pre-pending" that lets investigators trace a discussion thread that we didn't know was going to spin out when the original issue was distributed. We have also pre-pended notes about a change in an author's e-mail address, so that a reader has a chance to avoid sending unreceivable mail to the author. But we did not and will not fiddle with the original text. _EJournal_ encourages posting and forwarding and sharing. Unless there has been some sort of deliberate (or bit-level electronic) corruption, the texts everyone sees are the originals, outdated as they may be. If there are any questions, the as-transmitted text is always retrievable from our Fileserv. Ted Jennings, editor, _EJournal_ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 16:33:40 EDT Reply-To: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" Sender: "Publishing E-Journals : Publishing, Archiving, and Access" From: Jim Cerny Subject: some comments on ora.com Hi, Just thought I'd state the obvious and point you to an interesting example of a publisher grasping and using new technologies. The various discussions on VPIEJ-L, and my other experiences, indicate that traditional publishers have a steep learning curve to understand what the new technologies mean for the way they do business ... ranging from how they think of books and journals, to how they edit them, to how they publish and market them. An intereting example is O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. (ORA). I'll insert the disclaimer here that I have no special knowledge of or connection with this company ... I admire the several books they publish that I've actually touched ... but most of my remarks are drawn from the summer 1993 catalog they just mailed out. ORA specializes in publishing on topics such as Unix tools, Unix system administration, X-windows and Motif nitty-gritty stuff, etc. It is only the success of Ed Krol's "The Whole Internet User's Guide and Catalog" that is likely to make them known to a wider audience (they say 125,000 copies were in print within 5 months). It would be easy to say that such a technical publisher has an advantage in understanding new technologies. And I think that is true. But I also think we could find more than a few computing publishers who seem blind to these technologies. These are things that impress me that ORA is doing as a publisher (I don't claim that individually they are unique to ORA, but collectively they are impressive): * They have their catalog available via Gopher (gopher.ora.com). And this is not just a bare-bones catalog. For example, it includes interesting colophon information on each book. And it includes key-word searching by book title and by book tables of contents! * They have a system for ordering their books via e-mail! * There is one programming book that comes with a CD with the code discussed, ready to be used in several common environments. * They are involved in sponsoring the Internet Talk Radio experiment in desktop broadcasting. * They offer one book (with more to follow) in SGML source for corporate licensing. * Author Ed Krol states in his preface that except for the legal contrcts, his book was essentially written and produced by using e-mail over the Internet. Finally, in their catalog, they make this statement worth thinking about: "And suddenly, we know what online books are all about: not translating printed books to the screen, but creating user interfaces to large, dynamic bodies of information." [p. 8] -- Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H. firstname.lastname@example.org