VPIEJ-L 11/92
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November 1992
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 09:19:14 EST
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From: KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject: Re: Continuing discussion on costs and benefits of e-journa
Examine the turnaround times in recent journals ... many are 6 weeks to 2
months. The big journals (Nature, Science, NEJM, JAMA etc) those produced by
Pergamon-Elsevier and other publishing monopolies, attract good research
articles by promising fquick turnaround. The main concern of such whirlwind
processing (usually electronic or disk-by-express mail) is the chance that
proper peer review, editing, and reference validation is thereby short-changed.
Obtaining speed and quality will continue to present problems in both the
electronic and print environments.
Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library Syracuse
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 09:19:53 EST
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From: KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject: Re: Continuing discussion on costs and benefits of e-journals
I didn't say that an electronic newsletter would be a "bad thing" for
nurses. I pointed out some reasons that an electronic newsletter not backed
up by a print counterpart might not reach the nurses you want to reach. The
world is not a fair place and we need to recognize this fact and deal with
this fact. If you want nurses to read your newsletter than you may need to
consider #1 advocating that they have the technology to do so with administrator
s #2 being sure that nurses are included in discounted hardware and software
for personal use #3 are trained to use the technology to access your electronic
journal #4 provide training at times convenient to nurses who are working
doubles, splits, nights etc. while they raise they're families and moonlight
and #5 ask them what format and what content would attract them most.
Sometimes ... I just wish you'd all actually take the time to READ the messages
placed on this electronic conference and think about them ... BEFORE
responding (how do you make a wry grin, an exasperated face, indicate a gnetle
and non-violent tone on e-mail?)
Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library at Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 11:01:17 EST
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From: Stevan Harnad <harnad@princeton.edu>
Subject: Haste Can be Chaste
Hannah King SUNY HSC Library Syracuse (KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET) wrote:
> Examine the turnaround times in recent journals ... many are 6 weeks to
> 2 months. The big journals (Nature, Science, NEJM, JAMA etc) those
> produced by Pergamon-Elsevier and other publishing monopolies, attract
> good research articles by promising quick turnaround. The main concern
> of such whirlwind processing (usually electronic or disk-by-express
> mail) is the chance that proper peer review, editing, and reference
> validation is thereby short-changed. Obtaining speed and quality will
> continue to present problems in both the electronic and print
> environments.
(1) My experience from editing a paper journal for over a decade and a
half is that most of the delay in refereeing is the time taken for the
referee report to reach the top of the referee's stack. The real-time
refereeing unusally occupies the interval: DEADLINE minus 1 - 2 days.
Hence weeks and months of delay do NOT represent refereeing rigor.
(2) There will be stacks in the electronic medium too, of course, but I
predict that they will be smaller, particularly if the editor uses the
parallel potential of the medium to look more widely for referees who
happen to have the time at the time to commit themselves to a much
closer deadline.
(3) More important, it is not the shorter refereeing time that gives the
electronic medium its incomparable speed, it is the rapid publication
and dissemination time: Once accepted and copy-edited, an article can
be published and can reach [in principle all of] the authors intended
audience of peers the world over within minutes. And the medium can also
speed up the cycles of subsequent interaction -- peer feedback and
author's replies -- at the same tempo. This at last returns scholarly
communication to something closer to the turnaround time of the speed
of thought, which we left behind long ago in adopting the advantages of
written communication over oral. We can now have the positive benefits
of both (the rapidity of the oral medium and the lapidarity of the
written) when we need them (Harnad 1991).
(4) The rigor of peer review does not depend on the medium in which it
is exercised but on the rigor of the peers themselves, and the process
that selects them and evaluates their reports (i.e., the editorial
process, likewise medium-independent).
Stevan Harnad
Editor, Behavioral & Brain Sciences, PSYCOLOQUY
Department of Psychology | Laboratoire Cognition et Mouvement
Princeton University | URA CNRS 1166
Princeton NJ 08544 | Universite d'Aix Marseille II
harnad@princeton.edu | 13388 Marseille cedex 13, France
609-921-7771 | 33-91-611-420
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Harnad, S. (1991) Post-Gutenberg Galaxy: The Fourth Revolution in the
Means of Production of Knowledge. Public-Access Computer Systems Review
2 (1): 39 - 53 (also reprinted in PACS Annual Review Volume 2
1992; and in R. D. Mason (ed.) Computer Conferencing: The Last Word. Beach
Holme Publishers, 1992; and in: M. Strangelove & D. Kovacs: Directory of
Electronic Journals, Newsletters, and Academic Discussion Lists (A.
Okerson, ed), 2nd edition. Washington, DC, Association of Research
Libraries, Office of Scientific & Academic Publishing, 1992).
(retrievable by anonymous ftp from host princeton.edu directory
pub/harnad/Harnad filename harnad91.postgutenberg)
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 16:22:07 EST
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From: "(Edward Vielmetti)" <emv@msen.com>
Subject: Re: Haste Can be Chaste
Stevan Harnad (harnad@Princeton.EDU) wrote:
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: (3) More important, it is not the shorter refereeing time that gives the
: electronic medium its incomparable speed, it is the rapid publication
: and dissemination time: Once accepted and copy-edited, an article can
: be published and can reach [in principle all of] the authors intended
: audience of peers the world over within minutes.
Steve et al, another good reference for this phenomenon (thoughtfully
provided to me be An Nguyen, an@verbum.com) is Laszlo Babai's paper
"E-mail and the unexpected power of interaction", published in the
Proceedings of the 5th Annual Stucture in Complexity Theory Conference.
Babai recounts the story of an interaction on several small ad-hoc mail
lists (spanning November to December 1989) that lead up to Adi Shamir's
proof of IP=PSPACE. This important result in the theory of computation
absorbed the feverish attention of dozens of mathematicians around the
world, sending off quick proofs by e-mail to ad hoc groupings of colleagues
each making improvements and spurring the rest on. The race was triggered
by one person sending out separate communications to a small number
of colleagues.
Nisan's mailing was not meant to dispose of competitors;
it seems likely (although it cannot be said for certain)
that he had no competition at the time. He could have
continued quietly and conceivably achieved much of what
has been subsequently been done by a series of authors.
Instead, he chose to invite an undisclosed list of researchers
to join. But then, those joining in had no option anymore
but to compete and announce.
Here is the dilemma. If the initiator tells his ideas to
his immediate colleages only, others won't even have a chance
to join in. But if a critical mass of recipients is believed
to have been reached, the race is called automatically.
*E-mail is there*, for better or for worse. There is no
way to slow it down. The question is, what to mail, whom
to send it to. Maybe the longer the list, the better. Science
is likely to benefit from wider communcation.
I am fairly sure that notice the IP=PSPACE proof hit the wider nets
around the time that it happened; I don't have copies of the original
mail messages, nor for that matter do I know where they were archived.
(No matter, someone probably has them somewhere.) What does matter
is how this episode affected the number theory community:
* The ideal (?) condition for scientific inquiry
E-mail is capable of creating an *ultracompetetive atmosphere*
on a much grander scale than any medium before. Full documents
are being transferred at no cost to any number of addresses
around the globe in minutes or hours at worst. No labels needed,
no overhead, just add one more alias to your .malirc file and
hit a key - Those favoring quiet work, pull the plug.
[...]
* Does an e-mail announcement to a substantial protion of the
immediately affected experts count as publication? Should one
refer to them the way one does to tech reports?
Dates and exact texts are documented with greater accuracy than
would be with many journals - yet it is impossible to subscribe for
such announcements, even though some of them may have wide
circulation.
That's about all that my fingers have space to type for - if you want
to order the whole document up to look at, the IEEE blurb at the bottom reads
CH2899-3/90/0000/0030$01.00 (c) 1990 IEEE
which presumably gives you enough detail to generate paper.
Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 08:39:51 EST
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From: "A. Ralph Papakhian" <papakhi@iubvm.bitnet>
Subject: Re: Haste Can be Chaste
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 2 Nov 1992 16:22:07 EST from <emv@msen.com>
What if ...
someone publishes/distributes truly revolutionary information
without regard to fame and fortune? Is this act completely
impossible?
Say I had discovered the secret to cold fusion, could I not
simply distribute this information quickly without seeking chaste?
What if I found a way to be happy? Would that also have to
be commercial?
Is commerce/copyright/patent really the ultimate for academic
inquiry? What happened to truth/beauty/relevation?
Most cordially,
A. Ralph Papakhian, Music Library (Co-Listowner for MLA-L@IUBVM)
Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405
(812) 855-2970 papakhi@iubvm.bitnet papakhi@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 16:35:03 EST
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From: Editors of PMC <pmc@ncsuvm.bitnet>
Subject: PMC/OUP
OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS TO PUBLISH _POSTMODERN CULTURE_
Oxford University Press and _Postmodern Culture_ are pleased to
announce a new partnership in electronic publishing. Beginning
in January of 1993, Oxford will publish _Postmodern Culture_,
marking the first time a university press has published a
networked, fully electronic journal.
_Postmodern Culture_ is a peer-reviewed electronic journal of
interdisciplinary criticism on contemporary literature, theory,
and culture. It is currently published at North Carolina State
University, and is supported by the NCSU Dept. of English, the
NCSU Libraries, NCSU Campus and Engineering Computing, the NCSU
College of Humanities and Social Sciences, and the NCSU Research
Office. _Postmodern Culture_ has appeared three times a year
since September of 1990; at present, it has over 2,300
subscribers in more than 40 countries.
Oxford University Press established an electronic publishing
research unit in late 1985 and released their first electronic
products in 1988. Oxford currently publishes more than fifty
electronic packages in science, medicine, general reference, and
the humanities and social sciences: _Postmodern Culture_ will be
Oxford's first electronic journal and its first networked
electronic publication.
All back issues of _Postmodern Culture_ are always available, and
previous issues have included:
Andrew Ross, "Hacking Away at the Counter-culture"
bell hooks, "Postmodern Blackness"
Laura Kipnis, "Marx: The Video (A Politics of Revolting
Bodies)"
George Yudice, "Feeding the Transcendent Body"
Kathy Acker, "Dead Doll Humility" and "Obsession"
Neil Larsen, "Postmodernism and Imperialism: Theory and
Politics in Latin America"
Patrick O'Donnell, "His Master's Voice: On William Gaddis's
_JR_"
Greg Ulmer, "Grammatology Hypermedia"
Susan Howe, "Incloser"
Charles Bernstein, "The Second War and Postmodern Memory"
Allison Fraiberg, "Of AIDS, Cyborgs, and Other
Indiscretions: Resurfacing the Body in the Postmodern"
(with a response by David Porush)
Stuart Moulthrop, "You Say You Want A Revolution: Hypertext
and the Laws of Media"
Bob Perelman, "The Marginalization of Poetry"
Fred Pfeil, "Revolting Yet Conserved: Family %Noir% in _Blue
Velvet_ and _Terminator 2_"
Rochelle Owens, "Drum and Whistle" and "Black Stems," Two
Poems from _LUCA: Discourse on Life & Death_
Paul McCarthy, "Postmodern Pleasure and Perversity:
Scientism and Sadism"
Robert Coover, Title Sequence from _Lucky Pierre_
Marc Laidlaw, "Great Breakthroughs in Darkness"
Plus: reviews of books and events, notices of conferences
and publications, and Popular Culture columns on the
televising of the Tour de France, Satanism and the mass
media, women's body-building, lesbian bodies in the age
of postmechanical reproduction, and others.
For a free electronic-mail subscription to _Postmodern Culture_,
send a subscription request with your first and last name to
PMC@NCSUVM.CC.NCSU.EDU or to PMC@NCSUVM. To subscribe to disk or
microfiche before January, 1993, send $15 (individual rate) or
$30 (institutional rate) to:
Postmodern Culture
Box 8105
NCSU
Raleigh, NC 27695-8105
In Canada, add $3; outside North America, add $7. Please specify
disk format (Macintosh 3.5", IBM 3.5" or IBM 5.25"). After
January, 1993, send disk and microfiche subscription requests to:
Journals Department
Oxford University Press
2001 Evans Road
Cary, NC 27513
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 16:35:15 EST
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From: Christine Sundt <csundt@oregon.bitnet>
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT
CALL FOR PAPERS
The Editors of Visual Resources: An International Journal of
Documentation are pleased to announce the preparation of a Special Issue
of the journal on the topic ISSUES IN ELECTRONIC IMAGING.
Some of the issues being considered include Interactivity, Design
Concerns, Intellectual Property Rights, Imaging in Electronic
Publishing, Standards, Preservation of Current Media, New Formats,
Pitfalls and Misconceptions, and Strategic Planning; other suggestions
are encouraged. We invite your contribution. For additional
information, please contact Christine Sundt, Technology Editor,
University of Oregon, Architecture and Allied Arts Library, Lawrence
Hall, Eugene, OR 97403-1206 (BITNET: csundt@oregon; INTERNET:
csundt@oregon.uoregon.edu; voice: 503-346-2209; FAX: 503-346-3626.
Deadline for submissions: 1 December 1992.
VISUAL RESOURCES
An International Journal of Documentation
ISSN: 0197-3762
1992 Volume: IX
EDITORS:
Helene E. Roberts, Fine Arts Library, Fogg Art Museum, Harvard
University
Christine L. Sundt, Architecture & Allied Arts Library, University of
Oregon
AIMS AND SCOPE:
This journal is devoted to the study of images and their use. Those
images which depict architecture and works of art are of primary
concern. The process by which these images are made, organized and
ultimately utilized is investigated. This journal explores how visual
language is structured and how visual meaning communicated and also
illustrates how picture collections are acquired, organized and
preserved. Its scope delves into the past and looks toward the future.
VISUAL RESOURCES examines early attempts to document the visual, reports
on the state of visual resources, assesses the effect of electronic
technology on the future use of visual materials, and provides a
platform for the reporting of new ways to organize and access visual
information. It hopes to incite further experimentation and speculation
about the potential uses of visual materials, and to increase the
appreciation of visual documentation.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:43:49 EST
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From: Howard Pasternack <blips15@brownvm.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
After January, 1993, will the electronic version of Postmodern Culture
continue to be "free".
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:43:43 EST
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From: Editors of PMC <pmc@ncsuvm.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:43:49 EST from <blips15@brownvm>
Howard (and others who have asked this question):
Apparently our announcement was unintentionally ambiguous. Yes, after
January 1993, and indefinitely, the electronic-mail version of PMC will
continue to be distributed free of charge; free ftp access will also be
offered, as it is now. Others have asked whether the disk and fiche are
new--they are not: we've distributed disk and fiche since the beginning,
at the same rates quoted in our announcement. No one has asked about
copyright yet, but since that's an issue likely to be of interest on this
list, I'll just add that our copyright policy will continue essentially
unchanged: copyright for items published in PMC will be assigned to the
author, as it now is.
John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:44:37 EST
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From: LEARYJ@SNYCORVA.BITNET
Subject: E-amil
Since i am writing an article for my school paper on e-mail, I decided
it would be best to research via E-amil. I need to know any facts
about the beginig of e-mail, how many(guesstimate)high school student
use it. Any other tidbits, your feeling on the use of e-mail, and
what role you think it will play in the
growing communication mediums? Please reply quickley, I'm on a
deadline:-)
Alex Leary
learyj@snycorva
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:12:16 EST
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From: Paul Gherman <gherman@vtvm1.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:43:43 EST from <pmc@ncsuvm>
What I find interesting is that Oxford U. Press could make a business case
for publishing a journal which will be free via the net and will maintain
a copyright policy such as yours. Do they really think this is a good business
deal? If so, many other publishers should take note since the common
assumption would be that one could not financially support an e-journal under
these conditions.
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:50 EST
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From: "(James J. O'Donnell)" <jodonnel@sas.upenn.edu>
Subject: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Gherman" at Nov 6, 92 11:12 am
I also admire OUP's willingness to take on PMC without disrupting the
existing e-arrangements. The lesson, I think, is that electronic
publication should not and need not be thought of as replacing paper
publication, but rather as doing something quite different. There will be
cases where the e-version will render the paper version unmarketable, I
suppose, but in the long term the impact of e-information on production of
printed matter is very hard to calculate. The printed book did not put
the un-printed word out of business, indeed rather seems to have
stimulated demand and use in such a way that a far wider audience achieved
the necessary conditions of literacy and concern to use the techniques.
At any rate, in the short term, the reasonable concern is to target e- and
paper products to the audiences they can best reach and see what symbiosis
can emerge. The OUP/PMC consortium looks like a well-thought-out effort
in that direciton.
Jim O'Donnell
(ed., Bryn Mawr Classical Review)
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:30:21 EST
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From: Chris Locke <chris@support.avalanche.com>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
fwiw, I went out and bought (for $2250) the 20-volume Oxford English
Dictionary *after* getting absolutely free (for a book I was writing)
the same information on CD-ROM. Go figure.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:31:16 EST
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From: "(EPO)" <epo.journals@press.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
Paul Gherman asks about the financial support of an e-journal and
the Oxford/Post-Modern Culture arrangement. Is OUP "publishing"
this journal? It sounds more like what we would call
"distributing." What exactly will OUP be doing for the journal?
Paying for copy-editing or editorial office expenses, or just the
order-processing and marketing expenses?
It will be very interesting to see if it is possible to sell
microfiche of something that is freely available over the
internet. If it succeeds, this will be a useful addition to the
already wide range of possible arrangements between publishers
and journals.
I do wonder about the applicability of this model to larger
journals, particularly in equations/tables/graphics intensive
disciplines. I doubt, for example, that we could sell enough
microfiche of the Astrophysical Journal & Supplement to pay for
the five full-time copy-editors that prepare its 20,000 pages per
year, even if we were to dispense with typesetting, printing, and
mailing.
Evan Owens
Information Systems Manager
Journals Division
The University of Chicago Press
internet: eowens@press.uchicago.edu
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From: MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
Subject: Quoting E-mail Addresses
I have a section in a network-accessible document that lists the
e-mail addresses of authors of networked files. I am now wondering if
doing so puts me at risk of breaching some privacy law somewhere.
It should be noted that I have taken these e-mail addresses from
publicly accessible information sources on the Net, but I have not asked
permission to reproduce the e-mail addresses.
Is it absolutely necessary to obtain permission to reproduce such information
under these circumstances?
Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa
BITNET: 441495@Uottawa
Internet: 441495@Acadvm1.Uottawa.CA
S-Mail: 177 Waller, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 CANADA
Voice: (613) 747-0642
FAX: (613) 564-6641
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:35:47 EST
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From: Editors of PMC <pmc@ncsuvm.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:12:16 EST from <gherman@vtvm1>
Paul:
The bottom line, as far as copyright is concerned, is that intellectual
property and commercial property are not necessarily the same thing:
I don't know exactly how our copyright statement will look, but I think
we can protect both interests. As for free networked publication,
value-added versions of the journal are the long-term key to cost-recovery:
disk and fiche add a certain value for some subscribers, and there is a
fee for these versions; later, we hope to be able to provide a value-added
version on the network, with graphics capability and increased search
capabilities--there will be some fee for that as well, even though the
raw ascii will continue to be available for free. Part of our work over
the next couple of years will be to investigate cost-recovery models for
more sophisticated networked publishing, and in that effort we're not
starting with any preconceptions as to pricing, subscription vs. pay-per-
use models, etc..
I think it's to Oxford's credit that they have demonstrated a willingness
to risk the experiment, and I do hope this helps the rest of us to dis-
tinguish between the attitudes/interests of non-profit university presses,
on the one hand, and for-profit publishers on the other: we (academics)
tend to lump them all together as potential adversaries, and that isn't
necessarily wise or correct. If networked publishing of scholarly research
is going to advance and develop, and particularly if non-profit models are
really going to take root, publishers do have something to offer. Some
editors may be willing to run all aspects of their journals, from subscriber
services to publicity to soliciting, screening, reviewing, editing, and
proofreading text, but others may find it a relief to have assistance in
some of these tasks. I expect a range of solutions to emerge, and I hope
the PMC/OUP solution will serve as one viable model.
John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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From: Paul Gherman <gherman@vtvm1.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:35:47 EST from <pmc@ncsuvm>
Thanks for your answer John. I hope you don't think I am " on your case"q
with all of my questions. What PMC has done is very interesting to the
whole e-publishing community. I am on another list called Pub-Club which
you may not have heard of. It is populated by a number of publishers some
of whom are in the for-profit sector. They have been very interested in
your new arrangement. Would you mind if I shared your message with them?
Paul.
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From: Stevan Harnad <harnad@princeton.edu>
Subject: APA support of PSYCOLOQUY
While everyone is pondering the motives (to my mind admirable) of
Oxford University Press in their recent decision to distribute/publish
Post-Modern Culture, I'd like to point out that since its inception
PSYCOLOQUY has been supported by an annual grant from the American
Psychological Association (Science Directorate and Office of
Communications and Publication).
The APA is perhaps the largest (paper) publisher of psychological
journals in the world (and its fleet includes the most distinguished
ones); it also publishes many books. Although quite aware of the
economic tension between paper and electronic journals, the APA, as a
learned society committed to the advancement of inquiry in psychology,
has extended its support for this new medium -- unhesitantly and
without imposing any constraints -- in the interests precisely of its
mandate: communication, publication, science.
I might add that if we had to charge for the equivalent of this
subsidy, the current annual cost of PSYCOLOQUY would amount to 50 cents
per year per reader (currently about 2500 on Bitnet and about 17,500
on Usenet according to Arbitron sampling). I think the scholarly and
scientific community is best served if the real costs of publishing its
electronic journals are covered in this pre-emptive way. Another good
model is the university-library-press model of which the OUP initiative
is an instance (free electronically, for fee in supplementary optional
forms such as disk and microfiche). A third is the model from some of
the natural sciences, where the author's research grants are used to
pay page-charges for publication. Let a thousand non-profit flowers
bloom. What I am more skeptical about is pricier efforts based on
costly emulations of inessential features of the old paper model.
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Stevan Harnad
Editor, Behavioral & Brain Sciences, PSYCOLOQUY
Department of Psychology | Laboratoire Cognition et Mouvement
Princeton University | URA CNRS 1166
Princeton NJ 08544 | Universite d'Aix Marseille II
harnad@princeton.edu | 13388 Marseille cedex 13, France
609-921-7771 | 33-91-611-420
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From: "Charles Bailey, University of Houston" <lib3@uhupvm1.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon,
9 Nov 1992 09:31:16 EST from <epo.journals@press.uchicago.edu>
The Public-Access Computer Systems Review, a refereed e-journal, is
distributed in print form as an annual by the Library and
Information Technology Association (LITA). The UH Libraries donate all
potential profits from this venture to LITA, which is the primary
professional association that deals with computer use in libraries.
Walt Crawford donates his time to produce camera-ready copy for the annual
using Ventura Publisher. The UH Libraries hold the copyright to the
collective work; authors hold the copyright to their articles.
For further information, send the following message to LISTSERV@UHUPVM1:
GET PACSNEWS V3N9.
Best Regards,
Charles
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:29:43 EST
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From: Ron May <enmay@lsuvm.bitnet>
Subject: Electronic Journals
Greetings. Will someone inform me as to the purpose of vpiej-l?
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From: Gerald=Ruderman%HQ%Rational@Vines1.ratsys.com
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In: <9211091434.AA06602@relay1.UU.NET>
Christopher Locke said:
>fwiw, I went out and bought (for $2250) the 20-volume Oxford English
>Dictionary *after* getting absolutely free (for a book I was writing)
>the same information on CD-ROM. Go figure.
I am curious abou this. If this isn't appropriate for the group can we go to
email?
What made you do this? Can you exclude reasons, such as not having a player?
Do you use the CD-ROM now that you have the hard copy?
Gerald Ruderman
geraldr@ratsys.com
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From: Ron <enmay@lsuvm.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
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10 Nov 1992 09:03:09 EST from
<gerald=ruderman%hq%rational@vines1.ratsys.com>
I would be interested to know where the O.E.D. was published on CD Rom.
Who has the jump on publishing texts on CD Rom? And what software are they
using? And what texts are being published?
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From: Debra Schneider <dschneid@indystti.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:17:48 EST from <enmay@lsuvm>
There are many books and journals available in CD-ROM format. For example,
I have a catalog on my desk from Continuing Medical Education Associates
that containsCD-ROMS of twenty five medical textbooks, the PDR, dozens
of medical journals (e.g. New England Journal of Medicine, American
Family Physician, Scientific American Medicine Consult. They do not
list the search software, but I assume it comes with the disks.
While I don't have any cites handy, there are several good CD-ROM
directories out there. Also, Meckler Press publishes a journal
called CD-ROM Librarian which reviews new CD-ROM products. Ask
your librarian :-)
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From: Raleigh Muns <srcmuns@umslvma.bitnet>
Subject: Re: PMC/OUP
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:07:44 EST from <dschneid@indystti>
Another good source for CD-ROMs is Meckler Publishing's CD-ROMS IN PRINT.
The current edition is almost as big as the St. Louis telephone book.
Raleigh C. Muns / Reference Librarian / Thomas Jefferson Library
University of Missouri-St. Louis / SRCMUNS@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Standard disclaimer about all opinions being mine and not the University
of Missouri's, etc.thing, e
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From: James Powell <jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu>
Subject: PostScript to DOS PCX converter
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:04:11-0800
From:
/PN=Thomas.K.Hinders/OU=CCMAIL/O=CHAN.IS/PRMD=MMC/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com
To: jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu
Subject: Postscript to DOS PCX converter
Does anyone know of any programs that can convert a Mac postscript file
into DOS PCX format (fax-compatable).
Reply via E-mail (could be painful) :
/PN=Thomas.K.Hinders/C=US/ADMD=TELEMAIL/PRMD=MMC/O=CHAN.IS/OU=CCMAIL/@SPRINT.COM
Or:
Thomas K Hinders
Martin Marietta Computing Standards
4795 Meadow Wood Lane
Chantilly, VA 22021
703.802.5593 (v) 703.802.5027 (f)
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From: Gregory Bloomquist <gbloomq@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>
Subject: Anderson Virtual Qualities for Elec. Publishing
Could someone please tell me where Greg Anderson's article
"Virtual qualities for electronic publishing"
was itself published? Thanks in advance. (PS Please reply to me directly, un-
less you feel that it is of interest to the entire list. It _is_ a very good
article.)
Greetings.
L. Gregory Bloomquist
Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul
University of Ottawa / Universite d'Ottawa
S-Mail: 223 Main St., Ottawa, Ontario, K1S 1C4 CANADA
Internet: GBLOOMQ@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA Bitnet: GBLOOMQ@UOTTAWA
Fax: (613) 782-3005 or 782-3028 Voice: 613-782-3027
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From: Stevan Harnad <harnad@princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Psycoloquy distribution
> Subject: Psycoloquy distribution
> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:00:04 -0500
> From: Lou Rosenfeld <lou@squirrel.sils.umich.edu>
>
> Regarding your 11/9/92 message to the list: along with publicizing
> other means of access to Psycoloquy (listserv, Usenet, OUP), you might
> want to mention to Gopher users that they can access (and read online)
> issues on ULibrary, the University of Michigan Library's Gopher
> system. If they point their Gopher client software to
> gopher.lib.umich.edu, they will find an Electronic Journals directory,
> under which are all three volumes of Psycoloquy. We'll try to index
> them in the not-to-distant future to make them searchable. Please let
> me know if you'd have any questions or would like me to type up some
> more detailed instructions for users. And many thanks to you and the
> others on the staff for putting this publication together.
>
> Louis Rosenfeld Assistant Librarian
> Information Technology Development
> University of Michigan -- University Library
> lou@umich.edu (313) 764-2389
> --------------------------------------------
Lou, thanks for your message. I am aware of (and admire) University of
Michigan's commendable initiative in archiving all the available
electronic journals. I had planned to do a posting describing gopher
and archie capabilities and will certainly mention the Michigan archive
in it.
About searchability: We have tried to make our file-naming system
maximally informative, as you may know, so a file-name search can be
done using either the usual journal/year/volume number or author-name
or key-word. I hope other electronic journals will follow (or improve
upon) our example so we can develop a useful standard. Gopher will
already retrieve PSYCOLOQUY articles in its Princeton (home) archive
when cued by merely the keyword, say, "consciousness" (see below) or
the authorname, say, "bridgeman." There's no reason it shouldn't
retrieve the Michigan holdings the same way.
(The author of the sample item I used for the demo below, Bruce
Bridgeman, who also happens to be a member of PSYCOLOQUY's Editorial
Board, can rightly be gratified by the unparalleled accessibility this
gives to the work he took the risk of publishing electronically rather
than in paper, in this new medium's formative years. A bonus is the relative
visibility, when so few papers have yet appeared in an electronic
journal on any given topic. His only challenge is a paper on
consciousness by David Chalmers of Indiana University, an anonymous one
at UCSD, and one by your humble servant...)
In addition, PSYCOLOQUY's Assistant Editor, Malcolm Bauer, is working on a
user-friendly, ordinary-English (i.e., non-Boolean) full text searching
capability using Latent Semantic Indexing, an AI tool developed and
kindly leased to us for non-profit use by Bellcore. You may want to
contact Malcolm (malcolm@clarity.princeton.edu) and Tom Landauer
at Bellcore (tkl@breeze.bellcore.com) about implementing LSI in
your archive -- the first centralized electronic journal archive in the
world!
Best wishes,
Stevan
PS Note that each Princeton item is retrieved twice. That is because it
is mirrored in two directories. One at the "flat" root level, where
everything appears, and another in the Psycoloquy/year-volume directory.
The former is for ordinary (non-gopher non-archie) ftp searches with
only "ls" capability. The redundancy will eventually be eliminated.
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Editor, Behavioral & Brain Sciences, PSYCOLOQUY
Cognitive Science Laboratory | Laboratoire Cognition et Mouvement
Princeton University | URA CNRS 1166
221 Nassau Street | Universite d'Aix Marseille II
Princeton NJ 08544-2093 | 13388 Marseille cedex 13, France
harnad@princeton.edu | harnad@rrmone.cnrs-mrs.fr
609-921-7771 | 33-91-611-420
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Internet Gopher Information Client v1.03
Substring search of archive sites on the internet: consciousness
--> 1. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.15.consciousness.1.bridgeman.
2. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.15.consciousness.1.bridgeman.
3. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.54.consciousness.29.enright.
4. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.54.consciousness.29.enright.
5. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.53.consciousness.28.bridgeman.
6. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.53.consciousness.28.bridgeman.
7. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.50.consciousness.27.bridgeman.
8. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.50.consciousness.27.bridgeman.
9. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.28.consciousness.13.bridgeman.
10. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.28.consciousness.13.bridgeman.
11. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/Harnad/harnad82.consciousness.
12. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.47.consciousness.25.mcgovern.
13. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.48.consciousness.26.rickert.
14. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.47.consciousness.25.mcgovern.
15. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.48.consciousness.26.rickert.
16. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.41.consciousness.22.reidbord.
17. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.42.consciousness.23.bridgeman.
18. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.43.consciousness.24.barlow.
19. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.41.consciousness.22.reidbord.
20. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.42.consciousness.23.bridgeman.
21. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.43.consciousness.24.barlow.
22. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.32.consciousness.14.rosenthal.
23. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.33.consciousness.15.bridgeman.
24. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.34.consciousness.16.velmans.
25. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.35.consciousness.17.bridgeman.
26. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.37.consciousness.19.bridgeman.
27. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.38.consciousness.20.zelazo.
28. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.39.consciousness.21.bridgeman.
29. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.32.consciousness.14.rosenthal.
30. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.33.consciousness.15.bridgeman.
31. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.34.consciousness.16.velmans.
32. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.35.consciousness.17.bridgeman.
33. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.37.consciousness.19.bridgeman.
34. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.38.consciousness.20.zelazo.
35. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.39.consciousness.21.bridgeman.
36. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.24.consciousness.9.bridgeman.
37. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.25.consciousness.10.murre.
38. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.26.consciousness.11.bridgeman.
39. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.27.consciousness.12.noble.
40. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.24.consciousness.9.bridgeman.
41. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.25.consciousness.10.murre.
42. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.26.consciousness.11.bridgeman.
43. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.27.consciousness.12.noble.
44. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.17.consciousness.2.andreae.
45. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.18.consciousness.3.bridgeman.
46. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.19.consciousness.4.barlow.
47. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.20.consciousness.5.bridgeman.
48. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.21.consciousness.6.fielding.
49. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.22.consciousness.7.bridgeman.
50. ..Psycoloquy/1992.volume.3/psyc.92.3.23.consciousness.8.laming.
51. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.17.consciousness.2.andreae.
52. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.18.consciousness.3.bridgeman.
53. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.19.consciousness.4.barlow.
54. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.20.consciousness.5.bridgeman.
55. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.21.consciousness.6.fielding.
56. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.22.consciousness.7.bridgeman.
57. princeton.edu:/pub/harnad/psyc.92.3.23.consciousness.8.laming.
58. piggy.cogsci.indiana.edu:/pub/chalmers.consciousness.ps.
59. ucselx.sdsu.edu:/pub/doc/papers/consciousness.Z.
60. unix.hensa.ac.uk:/pub/uunet/pub/ai/papers/harnad82.consciousness.Z.
61. ftp.uu.net:/pub/ai/papers/harnad82.consciousness.Z.
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From: ERMEL STEPP <m034050@marshall.mu.wvnet.edu>
Subject: Re: Anderson Virtual Qualities for Elec. Publishing
I, also, need Anderson' article, "Virtual Qualities...". Please
post the citation and/or source to the list.
Ermel Stepp
M034050@Marshall.wvnet.edu
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From: LMACKLIN@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject: Archiving elctronic journals
I was very interested to hear of the University of Michigan Library's efforts
to archive electronic journals on their gopher system (see Stevan Harnad's
message of 11/18/92 in which he includes a message from Lou Rosenfeld).
Is the UM Library attempting to archive all electronic journals, or simply
selected titles? As a serials librarian I am concerned that electronic
journals may not be archived and made accessible for future generations if
Libraries do not attempt to archive them. I applaud their efforts and would
be interested in knowing more.
Lisa A. Macklin
Serials Records Librarian
University of North Texas Libraries
Denton, TX 76203
LMACKLIN@UNTVAX.BITNET
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From: Stevan Harnad <harnad@princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Electronic Journals
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:25:00 CST
> Sender: A Loose Association of Electronic Discussion Groups and
> Electronic <arachnet@uottawa.bitnet>
> From: Anthony Aristar <e311aa@tamuts.tamu.edu>
> Subject: Electronic Journals
>
> We're thinking of starting an electronic journal for linguistics here,
> but we're unsure of the guidelines applicable here. I gather
> that it's perfectly appropriate to charge a subscription fee, but
> is it also appropriate to accept advertising from commercial sources
> on such a journal? Does anyone have any guidelines or suggestions
> about how such a journal should operate?
>
> The main question we have is whether such journals are allowed to post
> advertisements from publishers, as hard-copy journals do. Advertising
> seems to be forbidden in other uses of the network, so there seems to
> be a conflict here. Yet such advertising is probably
> the only reliable source of funding for academic publications.
I know of no guidelines but I would offer the following suggestions:
(1) It's certainly possible to charge a subscription fee, but I think
it's premature (perhaps it will always remain premature): The real
costs of electronic journal publication are relatively small, compared
to those for a paper journal, and I think it is in the interest of
promoting this embryonic new medium to recover any costs by means other
than subscription charges, at least for now. (PSYCOLOQUY is subsidized
by the American Psychological Association, a scholarly society thereby
promoting a new form of scholarly communication and publication. The
current annual cost, if it were passed on to the current
readership/subscribership of 20,000 would amount to 50 cents per
reader. Surely there is a learned society or instutition that will pick
up the costs in your discipline, at least initially.)
(2) I also think a price tag is likely to kill off the potential
readership pre-emptively at this early stage when the impact and value
of the medium has not yet been demonstrated and people have more
questions about it than confidence in it. This was, I think, the
experience of the Neuro-Anthropology Newsletter when it tried to start
charging. The AAAS/OCLC On-Line Journal of Clinical Trials is charging
(and it will be interesting to see the outcome of that experiment), but
they have invested heavily in offering expensive paper-like features to
their journal. Do you intend to do so as well?
(3) I'm not entirely clear on Internet, Bitnet and Usenet rules about
advertising. Some limited kinds seem to be tolerated, but that too is a
route I would discourage you from taking, again partly because it is
premature (how many eyeballs do you think you can promise to potential
advertisers at this point?) and partly because it may well violate the
rules of the Net on which all these projects are piggy-backing gratis.
In sum, I would suggest: Assess your real costs, keep them minimal
(don't bother with inessential paper-like frills) and seek subsidy to
cover them, rather than charging for subscription or including ads.
Apart from approaching government and private granting agencies,
learned societies, universities, libraries or other scholarly
institutions and organizations, you might also consider "page" charges
for your contributors to cover your real costs (which, I repeat, will
not be that great). Subscribe also to vpiej-l@vtvm1.bitnet and
serialst@uvmvm.bitnet, which are more active than arachnet. (I've
cross-posted this to them.)
Stevan Harnad
Editor, Behavioral & Brain Sciences, PSYCOLOQUY
Cognitive Science Laboratory | Laboratoire Cognition et Mouvement
Princeton University | URA CNRS 1166
221 Nassau Street | Universite d'Aix Marseille II
Princeton NJ 08544-2093 | 13388 Marseille cedex 13, France
harnad@princeton.edu | harnad@rrmone.cnrs-mrs.fr
609-921-7771 | 33-91-611-420
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Subject: Re: Article reference
In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu,
19 Nov 92 10:01:31 -0500. <9211191506.AA03494@Athena.MIT.EDU>
Friends: this is the response from Anderson himself about where his article on
electronic publishing ("Virtual Qualities for Electronic Publishing") is found.
As I noted, I strongly recommend it.
Greetings.
L. Gregory Bloomquist
Saint Paul University / Universite Saint-Paul
University of Ottawa / Universite d'Ottawa
S-Mail: 223 Main St., Ottawa, Ontario, K1S 1C4 CANADA
Internet: GBLOOMQ@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA Bitnet: GBLOOMQ@UOTTAWA
Fax: (613) 782-3005 or 782-3028 Voice: 613-782-3027
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Thanks for the message; the article is based on a presentation I made
at the Computers in Libraries conference last March in D.C. I think
that Meckler is publishing the article as a monograph containing other
papers from the conference. I can't recall the exact title; I think
it's Electronic Publishing . . . . About a month ago, I received the
camera ready proofs, so my expectation is that it will be out soon.
Thanks,
Greg
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1992 12:18:19 EST
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From: ERMEL STEPP <m034050@marshall.mu.wvnet.edu>
Subject: Call for Editors: Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture
<<< Call for Editors >>>
The Arachnet Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture
has been created and will be published by Arachnet. Virtual
culture is computer-mediated human experience/behavior
/action/interaction, such as electronic mail, conferences,
and journals; information distribution/retrieval; the
construction and visualization of images/representations/
models of reality and/or worlds; and global connectivity.
The purpose of the refereed journal is to foster, encourage,
advance, and communicate scholarly thought, (including
analysis, evaluation, and research) in multiple disciplines
about virtual culture.
Ermel Stepp, Marshall University, Editor-in-Chief
Diane Kovacs, Kent State University, Co-editor
A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University, Consulting Editor
In addition to the three editors named, the journal
will have the following editorial contributors: Editorial board,
consulting editors, special issue editors, associate editors/
urors/referees/readers, columnists, and correspondents. Full
recognition and credit will be attributed to contributors.
Editors are sought for The Arachnet Electronic Journal
on Virtual Culture. General qualifications include an academic
degree, expertise in computer networking and/or electronic
journals, nominations and suitable references, and
verifiability.
Consulting editors shall provide advice on substantive
and/or technical issues about virtual culture to the
Editor-in-Chief as need arises.
Special issue editors shall take responsibility for special
or supplementary issues of the journal devoted to a particular
theme or idea. The responsibility includes the selection of
the topic, announcing the special/supplementary issue and
call for papers jointly with the Editor-in-Chief, receiving
submissions, obtaining peer review by associate editors and
other specialized referees, and necessary communication with
authors, referees, and the Editor-in-Chief.
Associate editors shall be standing jurors/referees/readers
on substantive topics such as specific networks and bbs,
discussion groups/conferences, ejournals/, information
distribution/retrieval, databases, networking tools, or
virtual reality. An associate editor shall read submitted
papers, judge the quality of papers submitted for blind
review, edit papers submitted for blind review, and advise
the Editor-in-Chief about the worthiness of papers reviewed,
and recommend whether to publish submitted papers as
articles in the journal. Specific qualifications include
experience as an editor/juror/referee/reader and relevant
publications.
If you are qualified and interested in an editorial role
with the journal, please send an electronic message giving a
notification of interest with the following details:
1. Role/position of interest
2. Statement of interest
3. Professional postal address
4. Electronic mail address
5. Academic degree(s)
6. Computer networking experience
7. Editorial experience
8. Relevant publication(s)
9. References (with titles, postal and electronic addresses)
10. Notifications to be made in case of appointment:
a. Chief executive officer
b. Professional organization(s)
c. Media
d. Electronic forum(s)/conference(s)
e. Others
Send electronic mail to:
Ermel Stepp
Editor-in-Chief
The Arachnet Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture
BITNET M034050@Marshall
Internet M034050@Marshall.wvnet.edu
All notifications of interest shall be screened by the
Editor-in-Chief and submitted with recommendations to
the Editorial Board for appointments to all roles.
Appointments shall be made by the Editorial Board on
or before January 15, 1993, and all applicants will
be notified of the decisions no later than February 1,
1983.
<<< Information about the Journal >>>
The refereed journal will have an ISSN and a copyright.
The journal will publish certain information in
every issue, including, for example, ownership, editorial
contributors, editorial requirements, disclaimer, and copyright
statement, and subscription instructions.
The journal will be distributed in collaboration with existing
discussion groups, networked archival systems, and libraries.
The journal will be issued monthly commencing with the
first issue on March 15, 1993.
Each issue of the journal will be less than 100 type-written
pages in length in the first year.
The official language of the journal will be English.
Translations into other languages for limited issues may
be approved by special arrangement.
Deadlines for the submission of manuscripts will be the
first of the month preceding the next issue. The deadline
for the submission of manuscripts for the first issue is
February 1, 1993.
Articles will be 5-20 type-written pages in APA form and
style and in ASCII format.
All manuscripts will be given at least two blind reviews
by a jury of referees.
Authors will be notified within twenty days after receiving
their manuscript of the disposition of the manuscript, except
notification about submissions for the first issue will be
distributed by March 1, 1993.
When appointments are made announcements will be widely
distributed to the chief executive officers of the appointees'
institutions, professional organizations and media, and
computer teleconferences.
All submissions and communication about manuscripts will be by
electronic mail.
The endorsement, sponsorship, and collaboration of organized
groups and professional organizations will be sought after
three issues of the journal have been distributed.
As soon as possible, alternatives to ASCII, such as postscript
and hypertext, will be considered for formatting versions of
the journal.
No print version of the journal is contemplated.
No subscription fee for the journal is contemplated.
The journal will be available via listserv@uottawa through
the electronic conference Arachnet. To subscribe to Arachnet
send an e-mail message to listserv@uottawa with a one-line
message in the text:
subscribe Arachnet Your-first-name Your-last-name
Of course, use your own real first and last name.
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1992 12:19:06 EST
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From: ERMEL STEPP <m034050@marshall.mu.wvnet.edu>
Subject: Call for Articles: Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture
Call for Articles for the
Electronic Journal of Virtual Culture
The Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture has been
created and will be published by Arachnet. Virtual
culture is computer-mediated human experience/behavior
/action/interaction, such as electronic mail, conferences,
and journals; information distribution/retrieval; the
construction and visualization of images/representations/
models of reality and/or worlds; and global connectivity.
The purpose of the refereed journal is to foster, encourage,
advance, and communicate scholarly thought, (including
analysis, evaluation, and research) in multiple disciplines
about virtual culture.
Manuscripts on virtual culture (including analysis, evaluation,
and research) are invited from multiple disciplines.
Prepare manuscripts in APA form and style and in ASCII
format. Any table included should not exceed sixty
spaces from the left margin on any line. Do not include
diagrams at this time.
Prepare manuscripts of 5-20 type-written pages, including
appropriate notes and bibliography.
The deadline for receiving manuscripts for the first issue
is February 1, 1993.
Send manuscripts by electronic mail to:
Ermel Stepp
Editor-in-Chief
The Arachnet Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture
BITNET M034050@Marshall
Internet M034050@Marshall.wvnet.edu
<<< Information about the Journal >>>
Ermel Stepp, Marshall University, Editor-in-Chief
Diane Kovacs, Kent State University, Co-editor
A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University, Consulting Editor
In addition to the three named editors, the journal will
have an an assortment of editors (editorial board, consulting
editors, special issue editors, and associate editors/jurors/
referees/readers), columnists, and correspondents. (Inquire
about an editorial role, if you are interested.)
The Journal will have an ISSN and a copyright.
The Journal will publish certain information in every
issue, including, for example, ownership, editorial staff,
editorial requirements, disclaimer, and copyright statement,
and subscription instructions.
The Journal will be distributed in collaboration with existing
discussion groups, networked archival systems, and libraries.
The Journal will be issued monthly commencing with the
first issue on March 15, 1993.
Each issue of the Journal will be less than 100 type-written
pages in length in the first year.
The official language of the Journal will be English.
Translations into other languages for limited issues may
be approved by special arrangement.
Deadlines for the submission of manuscripts will be the
first of the month preceding the next issue. The deadline
for the submission of manuscripts for the first issue is
February 1, 1993.
Articles will be 5-20 type-written pages in APA form and
style and in ASCII format.
All manuscripts will be given at least two blind reviews
by a jury of referees.
Authors will be notified within twenty days after receiving
their manuscript of the disposition of the manuscript, except
notification about submissions for the first issue will be
distributed by March 1, 1993, allowing for the creation
and implementation of the peer review process.
When appointments are made of editorial roles announcements
will be widely distributed to the chief executive officers
of the appointees' institutions, professional organizations,
media, and computer teleconferences.
All submissions and communication about manuscripts will be by
electronic mail.
The endorsement, sponsorship, and collaboration of organized
groups and professional organizations will be sought after
three issues of the Journal have been distributed.
As soon as possible, alternatives to ASCII, such as postscript
and hypertext, will be considered for formatting versions of
the Journal.
No print version of the Journal is contemplated.
No subscription fee for the Journal is contemplated.
<<< Subscription Information >>>
The Journal will be available via listserv@uottawa through
the electronic conference Arachnet. To subscribe to Arachnet
send an e-mail message to listserv@uottawa with a one-line
message in the text:
subscribe Arachnet Your-first-name Your-last-name
Of course, use your own real first and last name.
<<< Copyright Information >>>
Copyright 1992 by Arachnet moderators
All rights are reserrved.
Authors may publish their articles in other publications.
The Arachnet Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture may
be reproduced for non-profit use by any student, educator,
scholar, contributing author, subscriber to Arachnet,
academic computer center, computer conference, library,
school, or educational/research institution. The Journal
may be stored and distributed by any networked computer
as a public service. Any commercial use of of this journal
in whole or in part by any means is strictly prohibited
without written permission. Any use of this Journal in
whole or in part should include proper bibliographic
citation, including author attribution, date, article
title, and journal details.
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1992 21:42:07 EST
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From: Maureen Furniss <furniss@scf.usc.edu>
Subject: Panel speaker wanted
In-Reply-To: <9211291730.AA24180@usc.edu>; from "ERMEL STEPP" at Nov 29,
92 12:19 pm
I am chairing a panel on "E-Sources and Media Studies" at the upcoming
Society for Cinema Studies conference in New Orleans, February 10-14.
There will be over 1,000 participants, including many of the foremost
film and television scholars in the United States.
I am looking for someone to join the panel, to speak on the subject of
electronic journals and their impact on media studies. I am flexible
about the content of the presentation, but would like the speaker to
discuss issues related to publication (what you should know if you
are submitting to an e-journal, what you should know if you are an
editor who is considering a move into the electronic realm).
There is, unfortunately, no financial assistance available. The
conference would, however, provide an excellent opportunity
for an editor to promote his or her publication (and to have fun at
the Mardi Gras!).
Please respond directly to me for more information.
Maureen Furniss (furniss@usc.edu)
Editor, Animation Journal
Division of Critical Studies
School of Cinema-Television
University of Southern California
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